Unfortunately, my grandfather was not naturalized. At least, I'm pretty sure he wasn't. May have to look into that a bit more to be sure.
As an aside, perhaps your grandfather was in a situation somewhat similar to what can happen here in Mexico. If a person of U.S. citizenship wants to acquire Mexican citizenship, they have to sign forms renouncing their U.S. citizenship, something I would never do. However, the U.S. government, from what I have been told, does not recognize that renunciation. My understanding is that an American citizen can only renounce his/her citizenship at a U.S. consulate for it to be recognized by the U.S. government. Perhaps it was the same way with Portugal and that is why they retained the right to your grandfather's money. Just a theory. Sam From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam , If your grandfather was an American citizen, then a US State Dept record might be found at Ancestry. I can't find the database right now , but think it was in the Immigration section My great grandfather died in Lisbon in 1925 while on a trip to the Azores and Europe. I found sixteen pages of documents relating to it from the State Dept, US Consul, the Calfornia senator, and family attorneys in Oakland. It seems the Portuguese government didn't want to have it proved he was a US citizen so they could keep his money. I have a copy of the passport he filed for this trip with his naturalization papers attached. They wouldn't release his death certificate to the US Consul, so the US State Dept couldn't release his Citizenship papers. It was a stand off and the Portuguese government won. It was a lot of money, as he had sold his house, and was starting a year long European tour. Eric Edgar On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sam Koester <[email protected]> wrote: Yes, life was so different for our ancestors. Hard to imagine what it was really like for them. My granddad went back to the Azores for a visit and died there. I have no when that happened or what he died from. Would love to know for sure what type of mine he worked at but; guess I never will. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:11 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Your link is interesting.....it mentions so many nationalities working in the mines...no Portuguese even mentioned. I can only imagine the levels of toxicity in a cinnebar mine! I wonder what the life expectancy of the miners was at the time. Nancy Jean _____ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:43:15 -0700 Eric and Mary, In case you are interested, I found this information that might have something to do with my granddad's mining work... http://www.historysanjose.org/neighborhoods/newalmaden/index.html Sam in Maz From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester <[email protected]> wrote: I don't think this is too off subject....My father told me his dad used to walk "over the hill" to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) "White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge". It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a "Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs" (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: "Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray & Ready." At the bottom of each ad it said "In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men". Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:azores%[email protected]> . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:azores%[email protected]> . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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