Hi, Chris,

I just realized fm your post,  that you did, in fact find your ancestors on the 
Water Lily. WOW!  So they probably knew each other.  There had to be some 
serious planning and money to leave the Azores for the Goldfields.  As I 
recall, they arrived in Melbourne and had to get transport to goldfields.  They 
must have had some contact with someone in Australia that took them to Creswick 
area.  (why not Bendigo?)

I found  the 2 Lima brothers through the Creswick and Clunes advertiser and 
Reporter.  That was several yrs ago; last week when I got your email, I went 
back and it's more complicated now.  it looks like Rootsweb has taken over-  
when u enter in the name into the Creswick and Clunes site, it takes u to a 
Rootsweb page.    Because the 2 Lima brothers were listed 18 times in the 
newspaper, -the miners took each other to court for any reason- I was able to 
write and even call and got copies of the newspaper articles each time they 
appeared with all the detail.   That was a great day when I got that package 
with all those articles.  There were court cases where Jacintho was in a fight 
with another guy over turning on the water race. There were ads- especially sad 
when Jacintho advertised sale of His deceased wife's fruit/confectionery store 
as he was leaving country.  I felt he was broken and "going home".     There 
was a wonderful lady fm the Goldfields List (Brenda) who helped me and was an 
Angel helping me.  

Give me the names of the ancestors again and I will see if they are mentioned 
in any of the articles.

It appears (fm your dates) that your ancestors remained in Australia, settled 
and raised families and left a posterity- where do u tie in to them?  

My husbands gr gr grandfathers returned to the Azorws.  I could not find them 
leaving, though.  I also believe their father and his brother in law, j j 
Borges, went to Hong Kong to buy the "water race" pipes they used at the 
Humbughill Sluicing Company.

It was through a member of this list, Shirley Allegre, that I learned that when 
 the ancestor was being married in the Azores and the priest recorded he was 
widower of Dona Carlota Augusta, buried in (?)Australia.  That was the key that 
sent me to the goldfields.  Up to that time, it was just heresy from my mother 
in law that there were 2 brothers who were goldminers in Australia.  But she 
did not know anything else.

I always wished I could find more on what role the father, Antonio Jose De Lima 
and Jacintho Jose Borges played in setting up the sons in business.  I know  
Jose  spoke English and he is the one who married Charlotte Staley.  It 
appeared her name was not Carlota Augusta, but Charlotte Staley.  Her first 
husband could not be found in your Pioneer Index.

Can u imagine that  these ancestors might have known each other and shared 
those experiences.

Warm regards,   

Maria Elena


On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Manoel Cesar <[email protected]> wrote:

> There´s another link for the Arquivo dos Açores online:
> 
> http://www.arquivodosacores.com/index.php
> 
> Manoel
> 
> 2011/3/28 cmurray56 <[email protected]>:
>> This book is now out of copyright, avaiable to all to read , copy,
>> save etc.
>> 
>> http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaores02cantgoog_djvu.txt
>> 
>> I cant read Portuguese but my ancestors left Azores on the ship 'Water
>> Lily' 1853 for Australia, Many thanks to Maria Elna for sharing the
>> details with me last week, due to her kindness i have found this book
>> and will share with everyone. One day i may be able to get a
>> translation of it. I hope it is of help to you all that are looking
>> for answers, the site it comes from has many books that have many
>> subjects and all books are out of copyright and are free digital
>> copies
>> Best Wishes
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
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