I know it's been a couple of weeks, but I just wanted to say that my father and his two brothers were all barbers. My father worked for the some type of tax department in Sao Miguel. When he came here he became a barber because he didn't have the education to do anything else. He retired and worked as a bank courier. His brother came here served in the military and became a barber. Later in life he became a builder/carpenter which was something he was great at. He found his real vocation. The youngest brother became a barber here since he was young and stayed a barber till he retired.
It seems like that was the only occupation they could do once they came here with no real education. My mother's side were furniture builders or carpenters. Linda Borges Furtado Norton -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maria Lima Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores" Dear Chris: Whew! You have gone back into the 1500!s and you said, "that's all I have" (?) !!!!! First thing that caught my eye was that Francisco Joaquim Muniz was a "hairdresser". I found that really meant Barber. My husband had a great grandfather who came to America as teenager and for a time in the City Directory it listed his occupation as hairdresser, then in subsequent U S Census it stated, Barber. That mans name was Domingos Moniz Machado and he went to Tufts University and became a dentist. His brother, Clem Machado was also listed as Hairdresser/Barber and later on he was a leather cutter. That brother changed the name to Marshall. Paul's paternal grandfather whose name was Jacintho Jose De Lima (like his father, the goldminer, was a Barber and I have in my possession a notebook of his store's employees and accounting. Jacintho never knew his father because after Charlotte died in Australia, Jacintho Jose, senior, returned to the island of Sao Miguel and married his first cousin, Maria Adelaide da Silva. Within 3 months of his wedding, jacintho Jose, who had survived teenage years and his early youth in the hardship life of a goldminer, died in the Azores. He had sired a son but died not knowing his name would continue. Apparently he and his Jose Jacintho, had brought back $ fm the Goldfields Because he/ they purchased property. Later, when the widow Maria Adelaide remarried, the husband gambled away the family's "fortune". Jacintho Jose de Lima, the son, actually wrote a 32 page autobiography that I found among my deceased mother in law's belongings. If I had not been genealogy oriented, that could have been thrown out. It was full of dates names and his feelings toward the stepfather, whose name he never mentioned. I would like to go nxt week to the family history center and see if I can find yr ancestor, Francisco Joaquim Moniz. Did u already order films from the Family History Center? I have a film or two from Rosto de Cao, Sao Roque. That parish is very close to the Sao Pedro. It's worth a try-just don't want to duplicate your efforts. Maybe u will also get help fm others here who are very familiar with these parishes (freguesias) and where they have all the films in their F H C. Cheers, Maria Elena On Mar 29, 2011, at 4:53 AM, cmurray56 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Maria, Thankyou for your reply, i will give you my family details > as i have them, there are mistakes but i wont change anything untill i > get the right ones as this is all i have after much searching. it > starts with my gg grandpa Francisco J Muniz, he was a store > keeper,miner, share holder in a mine,hairdresser. His daughter Lily > May Beatrice Muniz was a store keeper as well , they lived in > Smythesdale, Victoria,Australia. which is near > Creswick,Ballarat,Bendigo area. > FRANCISCO JOAQUIM MUNIZ b 1838 Sao Roque, Sao Miguel d 1899 Australia > FRANCISCO CARRIEO MUNIZ b 1803 Sao Roque, Sao Miguel d Asturias Spain > MARIA JOAQUINA REA b 1803 Sao Pedro,Azores > FRANCISCO MUNIZ b ? d ? > FRANCISCA J DE SOUSA b 1780 Sao Pedro,Azores > MANUEL PACHERO DE SOUSA b 1760 Portugal > MARIA FRANCISCA DE SOUSA b 1760 Portugal > JOSE MACHADO DE SOUSA b 20 Nov 1727 Riberia Secca,Sao Jorge > FRANCISCO DE JESUS b 9 March 1733 Riberia Secca,Sao Jorge > BRAS GONCALVES BRASAO b Sao Vincente, Iha da,Medeira > MARIA GOMES b Parades,Porto > MANUEL PEREIRA DE LEMOS b Manadas,Sao Jorge > BRIGIDA MACHADO b Ribeira Secca,Sao Jorge > ANTONIO MACHADO b 7 oct 1726 > ISABEL MACHADO b Acores,Aveiro > ANTONIO MACHADO NUNES b Norte Grande,Sao Jorge > LUIS GONCALVES b Paredes,Porto > PEDRO DIAS E ALVERES b 1564 Paredes,Porto d jun 1610 Paredas,Porto > FRANCISCA PEDRO b 1600 Paredes,Porto > MARIA GASPAR Y GONCALVES b 1570 Paredes,Porto > PEDRO ALVERES b Paredes,Porto d may 6 1590 > MARIA DIAS b Paredes,Porto d 18 Dec 1588 > GONCALO DO BARRIO GASPER b 1530 Paredes,Porto > CATHERINA GONCALVES b 1535 Paredes,Porto d 6 may 1590 > MIGUEL DIAS b ? d 30 april 1595 Paredes,Porto > > This is all i have Maria, it doesnt make much sence to me because i > know nothing of the islands, i am trying to find everything i can > about the Azores as i want to know my gg grandfathers country and > family origins > Best Wishes > Chris > > > > On Mar 29, 11:30 am, Maria Lima <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, Chris, >> >> I just realized fm your post, that you did, in fact find your ancestors on the Water Lily. WOW! So they probably knew each other. There had to be some serious planning and money to leave the Azores for the Goldfields. As I recall, they arrived in Melbourne and had to get transport to goldfields. They must have had some contact with someone in Australia that took them to Creswick area. (why not Bendigo?) >> >> I found the 2 Lima brothers through the Creswick and Clunes advertiser and Reporter. That was several yrs ago; last week when I got your email, I went back and it's more complicated now. it looks like Rootsweb has taken over- when u enter in the name into the Creswick and Clunes site, it takes u to a Rootsweb page. Because the 2 Lima brothers were listed 18 times in the newspaper, -the miners took each other to court for any reason- I was able to write and even call and got copies of the newspaper articles each time they appeared with all the detail. That was a great day when I got that package with all those articles. There were court cases where Jacintho was in a fight with another guy over turning on the water race. There were ads- especially sad when Jacintho advertised sale of His deceased wife's fruit/confectionery store as he was leaving country. I felt he was broken and "going home". There was a wonderful lady fm the Goldfields List (Brenda) who helped me and was an Angel helping me. >> >> Give me the names of the ancestors again and I will see if they are mentioned in any of the articles. >> >> It appears (fm your dates) that your ancestors remained in Australia, settled and raised families and left a posterity- where do u tie in to them? >> >> My husbands gr gr grandfathers returned to the Azorws. I could not find them leaving, though. I also believe their father and his brother in law, j j Borges, went to Hong Kong to buy the "water race" pipes they used at the Humbughill Sluicing Company. >> >> It was through a member of this list, Shirley Allegre, that I learned that when the ancestor was being married in the Azores and the priest recorded he was widower of Dona Carlota Augusta, buried in (?)Australia. That was the key that sent me to the goldfields. Up to that time, it was just heresy from my mother in law that there were 2 brothers who were goldminers in Australia. But she did not know anything else. >> >> I always wished I could find more on what role the father, Antonio Jose De Lima and Jacintho Jose Borges played in setting up the sons in business. I know Jose spoke English and he is the one who married Charlotte Staley. It appeared her name was not Carlota Augusta, but Charlotte Staley. Her first husband could not be found in your Pioneer Index. >> >> Can u imagine that these ancestors might have known each other and shared those experiences. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Maria Elena >> >> On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Manoel Cesar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> There´s another link for the Arquivo dos Açores online: >> >>> http://www.arquivodosacores.com/index.php >> >>> Manoel >> >>> 2011/3/28 cmurray56 <[email protected]>: >>>> This book is now out of copyright, avaiable to all to read , copy, >>>> save etc. >> >>>> http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaor... >> >>>> I cant read Portuguese but my ancestors left Azores on the ship 'Water >>>> Lily' 1853 for Australia, Many thanks to Maria Elna for sharing the >>>> details with me last week, due to her kindness i have found this book >>>> and will share with everyone. One day i may be able to get a >>>> translation of it. I hope it is of help to you all that are looking >>>> for answers, the site it comes from has many books that have many >>>> subjects and all books are out of copyright and are free digital >>>> copies >>>> Best Wishes >>>> Chris >> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. >>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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