Hi Chris: For arrival date did you check the Public Records Office Victoria, Unassisted Passengers in 1853, specifically the ship the WATER LILY October. That ship had mostly all people from the Azores going to the Im not sure- maybe it was 1852 but play around with those names and enter the name of the ship.
I found our ancestors by entering de Lima. I think I've seen the correio name there. It appears the goldrush fever spread to our ancestors in the Azores. It must have cost them a fortune to get there, travel fm Melbourne and to Creswick area. That is where I first found the 2 Lima brothers - in the Creswick and Clunes Register and Advertiser. By the way, my 2 Lima brothers were born about same time as yours- 1836 and 1838. These guys had to know each other don't you think? Good luck. . Maria Elena On May 5, 2012, at 8:09 AM, chris murray <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Rick, Thanks so much for your information, it helps me so much, now i > know what ive got to do and what films i need to look at, im very gratefull > for youre help > Best Wishes Chris > From: Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:52 AM > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Topic. Differance in first names > Hi Chris, > > I am not sure how things work there at the LDS but here in the states we > order the films on line and pay for them on line. The film is then sent from > Salt Lake City to the local LDS Family History Center. I would give them a > call first to find out how it works there and save a long trip for nothing. > > I have looked up the two films I would start with from the LDS Site. > https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=384805&disp=Registros+paroquiais++ > You can go here to see the other films for Sao Roque. The information below > is what you will need to order the films. > > Title > Registros paroquiais, 1556-1883 > Authors > Igreja Católica. São Roque (Rosto de Cão, Ponta Delgada) (Main Author) > > > Batismos 1804-1876 > FHL INTL Film > 1330794 > > > Casamentos 1622-1869 > FHL INTL Film > 1330795 Items 5-8 > > > Your Brother in Christ, > > Rick > > SK Rick Pimentel > Council 10872 – Chancellor > Assembly 2683 - Member > Spring, Texas > 832-813-8111 > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > chris murray > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Topic. Differance in first names > > Thankyou Rick, It is hard because in Australia we do not have access to some > records we need. There is a LDS a couple of hours away, so it will be worth > the trip to see the films. what should i ask for to be ordered? > Best Wishes Chris > From: Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 10:36 AM > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Topic. Differance in first names > > Looking at the full names my impression is that they are not related. They > may be distant cousins. > > I would consider immigration patterns. Many times a person would emigrate and > in his he would write home and tell his friends or relatives and they would > immigrate to the same location. In your case there are two families from Sao > Roque. For you and I am assuming you live in Australia it is difficult as I > do not know what resources are available and If the LDS has any Family > History Centers nearby. If there is one then you could order the films with > the church records in the Azores to search. The only other option is to wait > until the films are put on line at the CCA website. > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Spring, TX > Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire > > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao > Miguel, Acores > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > chris murray > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Topic. Differance in first names > > Hi Rick, Thankyou for your reply. Im sorry i should have explained the > certificates more. The marriage certificates are Australian. There is > mistakes on Australian certs, spelling etc. We do not have birth certs, as > the place of birth on the marriage certificates only say Sao Roque, Azores > Portugal. We dont have an arrival date, the birth dates we have come from > the marriage certs as well. There is doubts that the two men are brothers. > Their names are as follows, > Francisco Joaquim Muniz b 1836 Sao Roque, Azores, Portugal d 1899 > Smythesdale,Victoria,Australia > father; Jose Joaquia Muniz > mother; Maria Joaquina > Francisco has a different version of his name on all his 9 childrens birth > certificates > > Manuel Carrerio Muniz b 1826 Sao Roque,Azores,Portugal d 1882 > Creswick,Victoria,Australia > father ; Manuel Francisco Carrerio Muniz > mother; Maria Jaoquina Rea > Manuel changed his surname to Monish in Australia > > I have tried to find this family in the Azores on this site before but havent > had any luck, thankyou for your advise > Best Wishes > Chris > > From: Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:21 PM > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Topic. Differance in first names > > Hi Chris, > > First off Francisco and Jose are different. > > You did not give an approximate date of these records but some of the later > records 1860 + in Sao Miguel give the names of the grandparents. > > It is possible they got the father's name wrong on one of the records (I > have seen this once or twice). I would look for the birth records of both > brothers and compare information there. Most birth records give the names > of the grandparents. > > > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Spring, TX > Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire > > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, > Sao Miguel, Acores > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > cmurray56 > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:37 PM > To: Azores Genealogy > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Topic. Differance in first names > > Could some one please advise me if the following two names can be taken as > the same meaning, or are they totally different names. I have two marriage > certificates one of each belonging to two brothers. Muniz brothers from San > Roque, on their marriage certificates their fathers first name is > different, the mothers names are the same. Their > fathers names are ' Jose' and the other is 'Francisco'. do these > names have the same meaning? Or would they be two different people? > Best Wishes > Chris > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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