Hi Laura, I did a bit more digging and think that perhaps my Jose de Sousa da Silva and yours aren't the same person. A cousin of mine is doing some digging into the family history as well and came up with 7 siblings (no twins) for my great grandfather Jose, none of which were named Feliciano. I originally thought he only had one brother based on the only photograph we have of them.... not sure why the rest of the kids aren't in the photo - that was sort of weird...
What I was trying to figure out is if the Jose Sousa Silva listed on the passenger manifest above Feliciano is actually Feliciano's twin brother or just coincidentally someone with the same name and age. I've pulled up both the manifest from the Roma in 1915 and also the manifest for Jose S. Silva from the Cretic (June 28, 1910). What I didn't notice at first is that only half of the data on the initial page. So for the Roma, page 43. If you tab over to page 44, and look at lines 10, 11, and 12, you can see additional information about our relatives to include the individual that were going to stay with in the U.S. Jose is listed as staying with his brother Manuel Sousa at 44 Orchard St. in Providence, RI. While my relative didn't have a brother Feliciano that I know of, he did have an older brother Manuel S Lamb who I believe to have also gone by Manuel Sousa. Manuel was the oldest child so I'm guessing he was given the name Lamb to distinguish him from his father Manuel Sousa Silva. Not sure where Lamb came from... but from what I understand, family names aren't always taken from the mother's or father's name. All of the other children in the family used Silva. So, I'm thinking that perhaps the two individuals listed on the Roma manifest aren't twins but perhaps were good friends or even cousins having grown up in the same town and having been the same age.... perhaps they just decided to travel together? I would suggest searching for the name as it appears on the baptism records (Joao). You could also try, John, Jon, or Johnny. I can't tell you how many uncle Johnny's we've had in our family whose name is actually Joao. I did some digging and came up with a Joao de Sousa da Silva that came to the U.S. (New Bedford) on the Patria on June 27, 1904 at the age of "13" and stayed with an uncle in Lowell. Hope this is helpful! Kate On Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:48:13 PM UTC-4, Laura Share wrote: > > In response to K Amaral's message-- > > Hello, Kate. > > I am so excited! I won't have time until Friday to look with a discerning > eye at the information you've provided on Jose to determine if they are in > fact the same person, but I've been trying for a very long to time to > locate information on Jose here in the States and haven't come up with much > information. If he returned to the Azores, that would make a lot of sense. > > Here are a few things that come to me off the top of my head. Feliciano > and his twin Jose or Joao (we always heard Jose, but the baptismal record > recorded Joao) were born 2 June 1892 to Mariana Rosa. We have found > birth/baptismal records confirming this date. What we learned from that > record was that the father was listed as Manuel de Sousa da Silva, but that > he and Mariana were not married. I've wondered if Manuel had a family with > a wife and now wonder if he might have had two sons named Jose. That being > said, it does seem like everyone ever born in the Azores was named one of > five names, and there are likely several thousand Jose de Sousa da Silva's > born that year! > > I would love to find out if we are, in fact, related distantly. Bear with > me until Friday evening and then I will dig deep and see what else I can > turn up. > > Thanks so much for posting in reply to my message. > > Laura > > On Friday, April 13, 2012 2:37:53 PM UTC-4, Laura Share wrote: >> >> Hello! I am new to the board and am really hoping that someone out >> there can give me a hand with a roadblock on a line of Sylva/Silva/ >> Sylvias from Santa Cruz, Graciosa. >> >> We have traced an ancestor, Feliciano Sousa Silva, his wife Ermelinda >> (born Pacheco) and his twin brother Jose Sousa Silva, arriving in >> Providence, RI on the Roma on November 29, 1915, and are looking for >> any information anyone might have for Feliciano and Jose's parents as >> well as Ermelinda's. We believe Feliciano's mother and father are >> listed on the passenger manifest as Manuel Sousa Silva and Bariana (?) >> Rosa. Their last permanent residence was listed as Santa Cruz, >> Graciosa. >> >> Feliciano and Jose were born 2 June 1892 and there is conflicting >> information in the family regarding where--perhaps Italy? Ermelinda >> Pacheco was born about 1897 and we have no other information. >> >> Feliciano and Ermelinda had 2 daughters: Mary and Albina. Mary Sylvia >> married Edmund Espinola. They lived in the Plainfield, CT area. They >> had a daughter Ermelinda. >> >> We are also looking for help with Edmund Espinola's family. Marcelino >> Jose(ph) Espinola born 26 Sept. 1984 in the Azores (no more >> information than that) and Rose Souza de Mello, born 15 Oct 1892 in >> Portugal. We They married in 1916 in MA. They had children Edmund, >> Rose and Jose. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
