Celeste, Thank you, it's a reality check for all of us. Patsy and I remind ourselves often, what we owe our Great Grandparents for their struggle to pay the family passage from Sao Miguel, working in Hawaii and settle in CA. We have received the blessings of their sacrifices. Including the friendships of this group. Ally Vieira Anselmo ~ Sao Miguel Pinheiro & Nunes ~ Faial In a message dated 9/20/2012 11:44:17 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time (M, [email protected] writes:
Fred, from my first trip to the continent in 1989 until my last trip to the Azores in 2009, I have not found any relatives that give 2 hoots about the dead ancestors. I have felt I am looked upon as strange to be digging up the dead, as my mother used to say. Having said that, my connection to a genealogy researcher in the Azores has been a blessing. He has met me in Porto, driven to the village where my grandfather was born, and onto the archives. He has traced this branch of the family back to the beginning of the records and even found the father of someone whose baptismal records recorded the father as, "unknown." This happened because he was searching for records of those who wanted to become priests and they had to "prove" they were catholic. This does not happen very often; however, in my case it gave me more information than I would have been able to find. On one of my visits, I was even asked why I was spending time and money looking for ancestors. The look that accompanied this question told me that, in most cases, the day to day struggle to feed the family, make a living and deal with many things we take for granted does not leave much time for even thinking of long ago family. The immediate living family I found to be very important. I thought about this and realized when I visited cemeteries that, in most cases, there were not even grave markers beyond about the 1980's. People lived, people died, those that live now are just struggling to keep on living. Hope this helps. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry [email protected] From: Frederick Souza <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joaquim Francisco Avila Hi all, I have been getting and reading the many emails that come in through this site for the past couple of months and it has occurred to me that most of the communities in the Azores are quite small and everyone knows everyone else (indeed may be related at some level). I have only been over there once and only met a small part of the family members who are there because as it was explained to me most of them live in a different town than where my grandparents grew up having moved there after Salazar left power when things vastly improved. My question is whether or not some of you who have been at this genealogy business for long time have found that the family members who are over there are in the least bit interested in tracing their roots. Does one reach a point where you can get to a town where those who came to the US originated from and then find someone who has worked on the lineage back to the great great and further level? Just wondering what to expect if I am ever able to get anywhere with this side of the pond because it would seem to make sense to somehow connect with a living human being on that end who has some info. Thoughts and suggestions greatly appreciated... Fred Souza On Sep 20, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Robert Ross wrote: Hello Linda, I have some some coincidences in my searches to yours (though there are stumbling blocks, too): Both of my maternal grandparents were born on Pico. Adelaide Caroline Costa, my grandmother, came to the U.S. in 1910 and was from Bandeiras. Antonio Inacio de Brum, my grandfather came in 1892 and was from Lages do Pico. His last name was Americanized [and misspelled] from Inacio to Enas. My grandfather's maternal grandmother was a Maria Macedo. I only have a date for her death, 1893. Trouble is that I have a Antonio Louis Bettencourt as her spouse, not Joaquim Francisco Avila. If your Maria and my Maria were similar in age, my Maria could have been biologically able to give birth to a daughter (also named Maria) who gave birth to my grandfather in 1879. (maybe?) Anyway, everyone in my grandfather's family was from Lages do Pico and I only know of his sister moving to the U.S. Antonio's family (Enas) settled in Visalia, California. Antonio's sister (Mrs. Joseph Pedro), settled in Pendleton, Oregon. Good Luck on your search. I've found there are popular names that seem to be used over again for different reasons. Lages seems like a small place with "dozens and dozens of cousins". Bob Ross [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:46 AM, David Leitz wrote: Does anyone have any info on a Joaquim Francisco Avila born April 2, 1823 in Lajes do Pico. He married a Maria Macedo (Maria Conceicao) in 1859 and had several children. According to my grandmother 2 of the daughters moved to the U.S. One died when she was young - (maybe 40 +or-), was married to an alcoholic husband. My grandmother was not sure why she died and what happened to the other aunt. Any info, or ideas where to start looking, would be appreciated. Thanks, Linda Leitz -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) . 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