Hi John: Here is the info from SM-VFDC DOM 25 Sep 1747, SMA-Villa Franca do Campo, in the afternoon (45LT) Francisco de Sousa (856 Manoel de Sousa X 857 Maria Moniz) both deceased at N.S. Piedade - Ponta Garca SPOUSE Josefa de Matos (Sebastiao? da Costa X Joanna de Mattos, deceased) freguesia SMA-VFDC TESTIMONY? ALFERES Joam de Medeiros & Jose Botelho
ALSO DOD 28 March 1731, Ponta Garca (____R2) Manoel de Souza Rabelo age 63+ DOD 17 Feb 1731, Ponta Garca (78?RB) Maria Moniz age 47+ There is quite a difference in Manoel & Maria's ages. It looks like Manoel might have been born in about 1668. Maria might have been born about 1685. Shirley in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: JR To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sousa Batata b. Ponta Garca, m. Vila Franca, Sao Miguel island, 1700s As you can the date of birth for Francisco varies from Shirley, but his is easily resolved on a check-up. The records are difficult in this period. Can you send to my email address the names of the parents of the women, Josefa Matos. I would like to see if they are in my database already. JR On Monday, December 3, 2012 8:57:50 PM UTC-5, Pam Santos wrote: Shirley has him listed and Manuel de Sousa Rebelo. I am not sure where the Rebelo came from? Thanks appreciate it. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: Below is what I have. Maria Moniz may also be Maria Nunes, although I have her as Nunes, and this explains why I was never able to link them. I have Moniz or Nunes with a question mark. I recall altering this name a few years ago and deciding on Nunes. This is another case that shows many people went to work in Furnas which came under the jurisdiction of Maia. Early Achadinha and Ponta Garca also have many pre-1700 links, but unfortunately the records are missing or do not exist. JR --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ancestors of Manuel José de Sousa Generation No. 1 1. Manuel José de Sousa He was the son of 2. Francisco de Sousa Batata and 3. Josefa de Matos. He married (1) Josefa de Matos 31 Oct 1779 in Vila Franca, Sao Pedro. Generation No. 2 2. Francisco de Sousa Batata, born in Ponta Garca - NS da Piedade. He was the son of 4. Manuel de Sousa Batata and 5. Maria (Moniz?) or Nunes. He married 3. Josefa de Matos 25 Dec 1747 in Vila Franca, Matriz. 3. Josefa de Matos Child of Francisco Sousa Batata and Josefa Matos is: 1 i. Manuel José de Sousa, married Josefa de Matos 31 Oct 1779 in Vila Franca, Sao Pedro. Generation No. 3 4. Manuel de Sousa Batata, born Abt. 1668 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade, res Furnas limit de Maia; died 28 Mar 1731 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. He was the son of Francisco de Sousa Batata and Maria Vieira. He married 5. Maria (Moniz?) or Nunes 15 Feb 1706 in Achadinha- NS do Rosario. 5. Maria (Moniz?) or Nunes, born in Achadinha, res Furnas limit de Maia. She was the daughter of Manuel de Sousa and Maria Nunes. Children of Manuel Sousa Batata and Maria Nunes are: i. Manuel, born 11 Feb 1708 in Maia- Espirito Santo. ii. Francisco, born 03 Feb 1714 in Furnas limit de Maia- Espirito Santo. iii. Francisco, born 23 Feb 1716 in Maia- Espirito Santo. iv. Francisco, born 13 Sep 1724 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. v. Mariana, born 21 Jun 1729 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. vi. Pedro de Sousa Rebola, born Abt. 1725 in Ponta Garca - NS da Piedade; married Maria de Melo Fernandes 02 Jan 1752 in Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz; born 22 Dec 1726 in Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz. 2 vii. Francisco de Sousa Batata, born in Ponta Garca - NS da Piedade; married Josefa de Matos 25 Dec 1747 in Vila Franca, Matriz. On Monday, December 3, 2012 6:30:32 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: OK, based on your info, I think I may have the answer or at some info to help cement this line. Unfortunately, I have to go out right now. Will post soon. JR On Monday, December 3, 2012 3:04:27 PM UTC-5, Pam Santos wrote: Cheri that is the brother of our Pedro de Sousa who was married to Maria Fernandes Melo (or Maria Melo Fernandes). Francisco de Sousa Batata married on 25 Sep 1747 in SM Vila Franca do Campo. They were the children of Manuel de Sousa and Maria Moniz. According to Shirley Francisco was born 13 Sep 1725 in Ponta Garca. We are still trying to find parents, Shirley has looked in Ponta Garca with no luck On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: Repost for Joe Muddman, joe.muddman at gmail.com hi joe.I have a Francisco de sousa batata born in ponta garca and married to Josefa de Matos 25 Dec 1747 at Matriz Vila Franca do Campo. their son was Manuel José de Sousa married 31 Oct 1779 at S. Pedro, Vila Franca do Campo to Josefa de Matos.Francisco is the only name with the alcunha (batata) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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