Joseph, there is a Nicolao in this family. He descends from Josefa's brother Jose, that makes him her Grand Nephew. As for Joam, perhaps he's there, but we're looking in the wrong place; what date parameters should he be in?
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:16:14 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does > say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my > Joam..... > > > On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:38 AM, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: > > > Hello Joseph, > > > > I couldn't resist your challenge. > > > > What is clear is the "ao" ending. That leaves one with a lot fewer > choices for names. > > Expanding on that, it is pretty clear there is an "l" before the "al" > and that now gives you "lao" and once you see that, you can see the "u" > before the "l" and before the "u" you see a large "C" and there is nothing > left to choose but Niculao and I am going with that. > > > > Moving over to the parents, the father is Mathias, not Matheus. So it's > Matias da Costa and Josefa. But her second name is maybe "Parobo" and I > don't recognize that as a real name. So for another reason, you must find > another example from another child and hope it's more clear. > > > > As for Isabella's comment about "legitimo" I looked over the following > baptisms from this priest and he isn't using that word on any of them. But > what is lacking in your record is the phrase "e de sua mulher" (and of his > wife) which is not in all the records, but in many of them. The ones where > that phrase is lacking might mean those couples are not married, but there > are so many that I doubt it. You would have to study all these couples and > find or not find their marriages to see whether this priest is simply not > consistent. > > > > You will see on page 0026 the baptism of a child named Agostinho and the > father is another "Niculao." > > > > Good luck! > > > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > > Sacramento, California > > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > > 916-550-1618 > > www.dholmes.com > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record > > -- can't really read it) Help! > > From: Isabella Baltar <[email protected] <javascript:>> > > Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 5:12 am > > To: [email protected] <javascript:> > > > > I don't read neither Joam, nor legitimate. This is a very decorative > penmanship and needs further study on this specific handwriting. I > quiclkly went back and forth on some pages to check on the scriber writing > and the way he writes Joam is very different from that one, the word > legitimate as well is not present after his name. > > > > Joseph, I suggest you to research that book and try to find a similar > pattern for that name, if you think this record is from your family. > > > > Isabella Baltar > > myportuguesegen.blogspot.com > > > > On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:55:25 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Thanks. I showed this to Joao Ventura and he doesn't think that it's a > birth record for "Joam", but rather "Nicolao (or Nicolau). > > > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:14:56 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: > > Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's > name is mentioned at the beginning " legitimate (abbrv) son of "Mathias" da > Costa native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo > nasceo (was born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was > baptized in this same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned > Villa, parish of his parents on the sixth day of the current month and year > by me, Maoel de Medeiros , Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de > Andrade, single, parishioner of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and > Miguel Pereyra, and for the record I dated this day, month and as above. > > > > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > > I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, > birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of > Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). > Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in > the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help > verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. > What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? > > > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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