Hi Dano, I wasn't referring to church law just providing an example where the incest taboo was exempt, the Hawaiian example came to mind. I am fascinated by their culture but incest among the elite did exist. I haven't read the book by James Michener or seen the movie but I suspect that it is slanted in favor of the missionaries. The native Hawaiians have a saying that goes something like this before the missionaries we had land and they had God now we have God and they have our land. Regarding the inquisition particularly in the Iberian peninsula I would consider that the darkest chapter in the Catholic churches history. More than 90% of those persecuted in the Iberian peninsula were of Jewish heritage it was a way to steal the wealth of the Jews(new Christians) and transfer it to the Crown and the Church thus concentrating power and wealth into two institutions. There was nothing holy about the Holy office of the Inquisition. The word Holey would more properly describe it. The interesting thing is now that Dna is bringing to light a heritage that was stolen from us. An observation that I would like to make as an American of Azorean ancestry I have been puzzled by the fact that I have noticed that many people of Azorean ancestry particularly of the older generation work so hard to establish a connection to our Flemish heritage and find a way to disregard our Jewish heritage. I suspect it has to do with our "whiteness" being in dispute at the turn of the century when many Azoreans were arriving in America.
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:48:24 PM UTC-7, Dano wrote: > > Anthony, I admit that Church Law was flouted on a few occasions, mostly in > England, but the Church dealt with that harshly, as evidenced by the > establishment of the Inquisition. Europe was the Church's domain for the > better part of the last millennium.The Church takes its laws very > seriously. What happened in Hawaii was beyond Church law, and not > within the Church's domain, but, all the same, Christian missionaries > preached against those same native customs to which you refer. Have you not > seen the film Hawaii, nor read the book, by the same name, written by James > Michener - upon which the film was based? Perhaps you should. > > On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:40:45 PM UTC-4, Antonio Faria wrote: > >> The incest taboo among siblings has been exempt among royalty of various >> cultures throughout history, one example being the royal Hawaiian families >> in fact it was encouraged they believe such unions produces superiors >> specimens. >> >> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:57:25 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: >>> >>> Of course. And that's why you don't ever see a 1st degree connection >>> getting married. >>> >>> Frankly, it's surprising to me 1st and 2nd degree was ever allowed. >>> Maybe it was a way to generate more money by the church, so they allowed >>> it? I'm assuming they had to pay a bigger fee for dispensation, but it's >>> possible even poor people could get it free. >>> >>> I'm changing the subject to reflect this discussion. Look for the >>> previous comments under the subject "Help with baptism from Ponta Garca." >>> >>> Doug da Rocha Holmes >>> Sacramento, California >>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >>> 916-550-1618 >>> www.dholmes.com >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca >>> From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 8:49 am >>> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >>> >>> I thought a brother marrying a sister was forbidden by law in most >>> countries and considered incest? So what is incest in the Azores and >>> Portugal? >>> >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> >>> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
