Thank you Joao and all the others on here. I'm searching a Gt Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from. I just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line, so am anxious to see what it shows. It is on the way back to FTDNA right now to be processed. Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif. Anyhow I have been watching your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all of you who share on here.
Edna Lemos Epps [email protected] On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other "districts". To understand what's going on here you need to understand a bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49&ged=venturas Best regards, João C Ventura https://tombo.pt/en On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 percent I'm hoping Angra turns up more. The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information is given. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: Brenda SP, The 3 ports for the Azores are: Horta on Faial Angra on Terceira Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first. If they needed to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the port. Most sailed from the port closest to them though. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores <http://groups.google.com/group/Azores>. 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