Edna, wish you were going to be with us too! Maybe next time. Keep searching but if he was a whaler and it was a Portuguese ship there was no passporte. I don't believe that there would have been one if it wasn't a Portuguese Whaler either, they just recruited men and off they went!
Rosemarie [email protected] Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Edna Epps <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Rosemarie.;) I've come to that conclusion but since I only have > "family stories" that are distant as I am, I'm trying to search > everywhere! Impossible really with only his name and possible birth year.;) > > Have fun in SLC! I sure wish I could go again, but not going to make > it.;( > Your Cousin! > ♥Edna > [email protected] > > *John 5:30 NIV* > By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is > just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Edna, if he was on a whaler, he is not on the passporte lists. > > Rosemarie > [email protected] > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Edna Epps <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Joao and all the others on here. I'm searching a Gt >> Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had >> much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from. I >> just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line, >> so am anxious to see what it shows. It is on the way back to FTDNA right >> now to be processed. Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about >> 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both >> east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and >> made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif. Anyhow I have been watching >> your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all >> of you who share on here. >> >> Edna Lemos Epps >> [email protected] >> On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other >> "districts". To understand what's going on here you need to understand a >> bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts >> were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta >> Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other >> two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars >> >> That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In >> mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a >> separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but >> it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to >> Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. >> >> However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one >> my wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed >> directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers >> of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America >> immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on >> this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because >> there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, >> as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias >> (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the >> first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in >> the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a >> family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a >> passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had >> abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big >> steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he >> then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, >> when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his >> first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that >> he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. >> >> http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49&ged=venturas >> >> Best regards, >> João C Ventura >> https://tombo.pt/en >> >> >> On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: >>> >>> I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few >>> Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 >>> percent >>> >>> I'm hoping Angra turns up more. >>> >>> The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for >>> each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information >>> is given. >>> >>> Eric Edgar >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Brenda SP, >>>> >>>> The 3 ports for the Azores are: >>>> Horta on Faial >>>> Angra on Terceira >>>> Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel >>>> >>>> Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first. If they needed >>>> to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the >>>> port. Most sailed from the port closest to them though. >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> -- >>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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