Edna, if he was on a whaler, he is not on the passporte lists. Rosemarie [email protected] Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Edna Epps <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Joao and all the others on here. I'm searching a Gt > Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had > much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from. I > just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line, > so am anxious to see what it shows. It is on the way back to FTDNA right > now to be processed. Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about > 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both > east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and > made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif. Anyhow I have been watching > your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all > of you who share on here. > > Edna Lemos Epps > [email protected] > On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other > "districts". To understand what's going on here you need to understand a > bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts > were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta > Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other > two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars > > That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In > mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a > separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but > it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to > Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. > > However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my > wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed > directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers > of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America > immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on > this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because > there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, > as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias > (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the > first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in > the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a > family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a > passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had > abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big > steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he > then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, > when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his > first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that > he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. > > http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49&ged=venturas > > Best regards, > João C Ventura > https://tombo.pt/en > > > On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: >> >> I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few >> Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 >> percent >> >> I'm hoping Angra turns up more. >> >> The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for >> each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information >> is given. >> >> Eric Edgar >> >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Brenda SP, >>> >>> The 3 ports for the Azores are: >>> Horta on Faial >>> Angra on Terceira >>> Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel >>> >>> Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first. If they needed >>> to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the >>> port. Most sailed from the port closest to them though. >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>> Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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