thank you cheri my grandmother lived with my family so i could understand it and can speak it a little bit
try to teach my grandchildren little words like open the door or close the light she taught me how to count so i can count up to 100 i couldn't learn the alphabet though - the letter before Z sounded like eepsieluna the months are easy to decipher i just can't read it i tried translating her COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO HAND OF THE DEAD book which was never published in english years ago on my windows 98 computer before the computer died - haven't tried on this one - every time i read the translation i could my grandmother's voice saying the words how i wish she were still here wonder how many people she knew that i'm finding Carmen -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 11/20/16, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:01 AM Carmen, Here's a beginning list of words: https://goo.gl/P7hNxI It's all that us non-native speakers started with and we added more and more words from there, until we learned to "read" it ourselves and then help others. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:18 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: morning rick i believe you solved the mystery i cannot read the documents i only look for words like mez, filho, filha anno, etc. when i was looking for his death i first found this in 1880 - last entry http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_ item1/P55.html it wasn't continued to the next page and when i found his record i thought it was a baby that died wonder when it was added to the page thanks Carmen ------------------------------ -------------- On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18 PM #yiv2052606152 #yiv2052606152 -- _filtered #yiv2052606152 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1: 2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2052606152 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2052606152 {panose-1:2 4 6 2 5 3 5 3 3 4;} #yiv2052606152 #yiv2052606152 p.yiv2052606152MsoNormal, #yiv2052606152 li.yiv2052606152MsoNormal, #yiv2052606152 div.yiv2052606152MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:. 0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;} #yiv2052606152 a:link, #yiv2052606152 span.yiv2052606152MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration: underline;} #yiv2052606152 a:visited, #yiv2052606152 span. yiv2052606152MsoHyperlinkFollo wed {color:purple;text-decoration: underline;} #yiv2052606152 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left: 0in;font-size:12.0pt;} #yiv2052606152 span.yiv2052606152EmailStyle18 {color:#1F497D;font-weight: bold;} #yiv2052606152 .yiv2052606152MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv2052606152 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv2052606152 div.yiv2052606152WordSection1 {} #yiv2052606152 CarmanLooking at this record again http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_ item1/P93.html lower right . It does not follow the standard format of the obito records before or after. The entry date of the record is 12 Mar 1807 which is in sequence with the other records in the book. It is beginning to look like Umbelina Jacinta and Francisco da Costa were getting married and they need to find the death record of her late husband Joao Ignacio de Sousa, I can’t make all of the record out, perhaps someone with more experience can. It talks about Jose Ignacio being deceased and had been married to Umbelina Jacinta in the parish stated above (Ponta Garca), I see another date on the record 1801. I am convinced that her first husband died and could not be the father of her son Joao. The baptism of Joao on 17 Nov 1807 clearly states that Francisco da Costa is the father. Rick Richard Francis PimentelEpping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups. com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:44 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! Carmen, do you have a date and time for Teresa de Jesus? Her marriage date, parents, etc. I may have something for you if can link her to my database. JR On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:When did Joao Ignacio de Souza die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is only 8 months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao Ignacio de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far as the name it could have been just one of those Portuguese naming things. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -----Original Message----- From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azo...@googlegroups. com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! my ancestor Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús for months i have been trying to find her grandparents no info on Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and her parents obituaries with many thanks to cheri i was able to find her parents' marriage - left side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_ item1/P178.html and with many thanks to joe matias i was able to find more info about João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents João Ignácio da Rocha - parents - Francisco da Costa and Umbelina Jacinta Francisca de Jesús - parents - Pedro Furtado Fontes and Lourianna de Jesús Francisco da Costa was married to Izabel de Jesús - after she died in 1805 he married Umbelina Jacinta on march 14, 1807 - right side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_ item1/P168.html Umbelina Jacinta was married to João Ignácio da Souza - after he died on march 12, 1807 she married Francisco da Costa - bottom right side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_ item1/P93.html their son João Ignácio da Rocha was born november 17, 1807 - top right side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811_ item1/P185.html i hope i have these dates correct it seems strange to me that umbelina would name João after her first husband on all of João Ignácio da Rocha's children's baptisms his name was listed as João Ignácio or João Ignácio da Rocha - no mention of da Costa Umbelina Jacinta's parents were Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna - still have to find her parents marriage so my dilemma is - is João Ignácio da Rocha's father João Ignácio da Souza or Francisco da Costa? what do you think? thank you Carmen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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