There's a Maria born and died in 1892, a Manuel born and died in 1889, a
Maria born in 1887, and a Manuel born in 1884 and died in 1887. Joao and
Francisca married in 1882, so there could be one more baby (or not) between
1882 & 1884. There could be babies before marriage too (I don't think I
checked). I don't know who was born after Virginia b 1893.

Once you have the whole family complete, the Azorean passaportes will make
more sense.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Elaine Mello <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> So far, I've only found 2 - Maria (1890) and Virginia (1893).
>
> So I'll take that Joao as being the wrong one.  I haven't been able to
> find out anything about Virginia other than what is on the baptism record.
>
> Elaine
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Correction: Two lived to adulthood. Not sure about the 3rd.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Elaine,
>>> Funchal is Madeira island. Your people are from Ribeira Quente on Sao
>>> Miguel island, one of the 9 Azores Islands. The Madeira Islands (2 of them)
>>> are a different archipelago.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what Shirley is talking about. What do you have for the
>>> kids of Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa de Mello from Ribeira
>>> Quente? I have 6 kids, with 3 living to adulthood. I haven't run across a
>>> Joao.
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Elaine Mello <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi Margaret,
>>>>
>>>>    I found on ancestry a NY immigration:
>>>>
>>>>    New York Passenger List, 1820-1957
>>>>   Year: 1907: Arrival, New York, New York; Microfilm
>>>>    Serial: T715, 1897-1959; Micriofilm roll: roll 0885;
>>>>    Line 24; Page Number: 85
>>>>
>>>>   Looking at the record again, I realize it has a different birth city
>>>> - Funchal, so while the age is right, this may not be him.  But if you look
>>>> up the page, Joao is line 28 that was the name I saw and jumped to the
>>>> conclusion it was him.
>>>>
>>>> Its interesting to know that they would name their kids the same name -
>>>> I guess George Foreman wasn't the first to do that, then! ;}
>>>>
>>>> Shirley, I do find the 14 year old Joao confusing, as there is a
>>>> Virginia that was born in 1893 to Joao and Francisca, so unless there was a
>>>> multiple birth or they adopted a child, he doesn't make sense.  But
>>>> everything else matches up in terms of ages and names/parentage.
>>>>
>>>> Elaine
>>>> Elaine
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 7:37:45 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and yes, it was.  Some times up to 4 and 5 Marias
>>>>>
>>>>> If you look at the 17 year old Maria, record # 52 year 1890, on the
>>>>> top right page, 6th line down, it reads...."secunda de nome", second of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> name.  This confirms she is the 2nd Maria of this family thus far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elaine, You mentioned Maria's Dad arrived in the USA same year, May
>>>>> 6th?  What documentation do you have to prove this? Francisca's passport #
>>>>> 675 states she is 52 years and a widow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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