Don: If the person who called about getting a birth certificate said Charly was born on Molokai and not in Honolulu, that may explain why the Dept of Health had no record. One thing I have learned about Hawaii--they do not play well with others and don't necessarily follow the same basic procedures. Honestly, I'm surprised whoever called even got them to check over the phone. Based on my experience, when it comes to getting records if you don't have the CORRECT information shown on the document you will rarely get a copy of it. It is highly possible there was no record on Molokai for your ancestor because it actually exists for Oahu. Basically, they could have had all of the information correct except the place of birth and would have been told no record, even though all of that same info brought up a record for a person in Honolulu. The reality is that the printed documents we can get through them will usually just list generalized location (Portugal, Maui, Oahu, etc) if at all. It was the original "Territory of Hawaii" version that usually went into great detail (from the ones I've seen anyway). But if we had that we wouldn't be looking, right? As Rosemarie suggested church records are often more detailed and easier to obtain. However, you still have to be looking in the right area.
As an example: we had an adventure getting my mother-in-law's birth certificate and we were standing there in person (records for all islands are obtained in Honolulu). She was hanai--a legal Hawaiian adoption at the time but unofficial on paper. Even with her date and place of birth (a very small town on Maui--census done 3 months before her birth shows all of 100 people living in it) , given name, and biological mother's first name (MIL knew that much) they told us there was no record. After much talking, pleading, and producing hubbies birth certificate and his parents marriage certificate (ie: purchasing another as the ones we had were back on the mainland), they finally gave us her birth certificate. For the record, her middle and surname were listed differently on all three records--only her given stayed the same. Not like they could follow on paper it was the same person, so why???? Our only guess that they are so picky is too many people are trying to be "royal" hawaiian. Perhaps they have done this out of necessity. Imaging & online access of census and other records is great for those of us trying to find family but too easy for less than honorable folks trying to create false ties. Probably off the mark but as good a theory as any. Hopefully I've been able to share a little knowledge to assist you, even though probably not truly helpful in getting your information. Teresa Phillips ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don Miguel <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 9:49 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for information on my Great Grand Parents Attached file is all I can find so far. Jocintho Miguel 1862/1863 Antonia Rega (Miguel) 1863/1864 Ant help pointing us in the right direction would be grateful! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/c575ede9-bbaf-4168-b695-b546d371ca3c%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/c575ede9-bbaf-4168-b695-b546d371ca3c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/BYAPR06MB530406B01E140F6DE99AFE6BDAE10%40BYAPR06MB5304.namprd06.prod.outlook.com.
