Sonia, exactly! *De qualquer modo, e ao contrário de uma crença enraizada, os apelidos baseados em nomes de plantas e de animais não são necessariamente de descendentes dos judeus convertidos à força ao catolicismo, ou seja, cristãos-novos.* - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, *DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS - Manual de Genealogia e História da Família*, 2016, p. 182.
Sonia Pacheco <[email protected]> escreveu no dia quarta, 26/06/2019 à(s) 17:16: > There is no historical evidence that this is true: "most animal, etc. > names came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in > truth a Jew" and in fact there is much more evidence that this was not > the case. > > I can provide multiple citations disproving this fact if folks are > interested, however, the vast majority are in Portuguese, hence why I > haven't provided them here since I know most people on this list don't read > fluent Portuguese. > > Sonia > > > > Sónia Pacheco > > Librarian Archivist, Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese-American Archives > > Library Liaison, Portuguese, History, Foreign Languages > > Claire T. Carney Library, UMass Dartmouth > > Tel. 508-999.8695 > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:06 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record > > [EXTERNAL SENDER] > > Marcos; Thank you so much for this extended reply. Yes, I did know that > Coelho meant rabbit but; no, I did not known that most animal, etc. names > came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in truth a > Jew. That is very interesting to me. > > > > Like many of us whose ancestors are from the Azores, I have ancestors who > immigrated to Brazil. I have had a couple of dna matches from there. > Although, we have not yet been able to pin down the immigrating ancestor. > One line does however; show Menezes in it. Perhaps, we too are cousins. > 😊 > > > > Again, thank you for this information. > > > > From sunny, hot and humid Mazatlán, Mexico > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Marcos Saturno <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:56 AM > *To: *[email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record > > > > Hey Sam, > > I don’t think Coelho is as such a common surname such as Smith or Jones. > > I can only tell from my own experience, but I grew up in pretty much a > Portuguese ‘colony’ in Rio de Janeiro and never came across many then (most > of my classmates had a Portuguese parent and sometimes both.) > > Though not every Brazilian is from Portuguese origin, I think my Brazilian > experience could help put things into perspective as most people in my > generation has a Portuguese surname (or family name) and we also use the ‘2 > surname’ Portuguese tradition: mother’s family name followed by the > father’s family name. This way, a person’s heritage is sometimes more > obvious. > > Saying that, I’m not sure how common it is in the Azores. > > I only have ever met one Coelho in Brazil (a high school friend) and one > in Portugal (she was from Setúbal) > > I’m sure you are aware Coelho means ‘rabbit’ and is one of the many > ‘animal or tree name’ surnames attributed to Jews forced to convert to > Catholicism to avoid expulsion from Portugal like Lobo (wolf), Carneiro > (Lamb), Pinto (chick) or Carvalho (oak), Pereira (pear tree) and Oliveira > (olive tree). I’d say that Carvalho and especially Oliveira is far more > common than Coelho for example. > > I guess the most common Portuguese surnames are Silva and Santos > (including varieties such as da Silva and dos Santos). > > Found in every corner of continental Portugal, the islands, Brazil and > ALL of the former colonies, including Goa and Damão now in India. > > I recently met a colleague from Madeira at work who told me that he > thought my own surname ‘de Menezes’, is more common in the islands rather > than in continental Portugal, I still don’t know where my ancestors from > that side came from (or my mother’s side for that matter though I have a > good match in São Jorge.) > > However, I read an article a few years ago, that stated that not all > Portuguese ‘animal or tree name’ surnames could definitely trace back to > new Christian ancestors. > > In any case, a new Christian surname would place your ancestors in > Portugal for a few centuries I think. > > Greetings from grey London, we are expecting a heatwave though, so we’ll > soon enjoying ‘barbecue weather’ as the English say! > > Regards, Marcos > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 25 Jun 2019, at 23:02, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Cheri. When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of > store fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them. I figured it was > like “Jones or Smith” in the U.S. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM > *To: *Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record > > > > I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva & > Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the > Azores. 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