questions for anyone who may happen to know the answer/s: are there any ports in azores, that still exist, from the 1800's ?
where in Azores would I find any graves for the parents of my great grandfather ? and, is the surname of da silva common in azores; are they all related to each other? On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:28:31 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote: > > wow Pam, that's, incredible. > I know of one tree on ancestry but the person hasn't contacted me yet. > unfortunately I don't know what happened to Peter, being the oldest of > Catherine's sons. > apparently he died at sea in 1909. > Paul James is my line, and Francis is the other line. > wow. > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:55 AM Pamela Hand <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks for clarifying Cheri. >> I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too. >> >> >> >> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia >>> on Sao Miguel island. >>> >>> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from >>> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle >>> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel. >>> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the >>> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anthony >>>> >>>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 >>>> Aug 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) >>>> Nowland in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: >>>> Francis Laurence and Paul James Silver. >>>> >>>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing >>>> his birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the >>>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I >>>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However >>>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on >>>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of >>>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the >>>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra >>>> could help here. >>>> >>>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need >>>> to research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time >>>> of >>>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups >>>> genealogists. >>>> >>>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on >>>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. >>>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village. >>>> >>>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if >>>> you wish. My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very >>>> similar >>>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver. >>>> Pam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores. >>>>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's >>>>> sometime. >>>>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla. >>>>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try. >>>>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give >>>>>> a clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x >>>>>> great grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It >>>>>> also >>>>>> told the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where >>>>>> he >>>>>> died and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. >>>>>> They >>>>>> are always very helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia >>>>>> and New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were >>>>>> often >>>>>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was >>>>>> a >>>>>> hard life on these ships. >>>>>> >>>>>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. >>>>>> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as >>>>>> Cheri >>>>>> has already suggested. >>>>>> Good luck >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Pam .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him >>>>>>> for not. >>>>>>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived >>>>>>> in azores, somewhere >>>>>>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not >>>>>>> just his life in azores. >>>>>>> thankyou >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Anthony >>>>>>>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in >>>>>>>> Sydney NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship >>>>>>>> embarked from St Johns New Brunswick Canada. >>>>>>>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his >>>>>>>> descendants lived? >>>>>>>> Hope this helps >>>>>>>> Pam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> South Australia ??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find >>>>>>>>>> info online ??? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because 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