Butt in any time Sam. Thanks to both of you for the considerable time it took.
Deb On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < [email protected]> wrote: > Whoops, I see now that Cheri already answered you on this. Excuse me > please for butting in. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Monday, December 9, 2019 11:43 AM > *To: *[email protected] > *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help > RequestedforBride's Family > > > > Debbie; I see; he of he age of 23, single, peasant, legitimate son of > Jose Luis, now dead, and Ana da Concecao, paternal grandparents, Luis de > Sousa and Marianna de Pimentel, maternal of Antonio de Sousa and Maria da > Concecao, I mean (digo) da Encarcecao, residents of Becodo Medonho (not at > all sure of the spelling there) she, (the bride) of the age of 21 years, > single, resident of Figueidas (spelling again) legitimate daughter of > Antonio Cabral and of Theresa Julia, (women didn’t use surnames in this > period) paternal grandparents, Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina, maternal > Francisco de Pereira and Maria Magdelina, baptized in the parochial church > of Our Lady of Deliverance (Nossa Senhora da Livramento), of the same place > and he in San Rogue in the same place (in other words on the same island), > where they were released from the last 3 lenten obligations ( the rest is > pretty much boiler plate about them being pronounced man and wife and it > being recorded, etc. and the witnesses names, etc. > > > > Hope this helps and hope if I’ve gone wrong with spelling or anything, > someone more knowledgeable will correct me. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Jesse Mendonca <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Sunday, December 8, 2019 8:19 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested > forBride's Family > > > > Hello, > > > > I have previously figured out the *groom's family *from the very complete > family list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel. I > was so excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ > surname was taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I > have hit a stumbling block. > > > > My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help > translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao. In > trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco > do Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a > specific place. > > > > > > Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom? I can't > tell where the* bride's family* begins or is she even included at all? I > felt that it may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out > and it continues with info I can't quite get: > > > > -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?) > > -- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of > Cabral?) > > -- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again, > Cabral?) > > --who else is included? > > > > > > Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end. Am I > correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark? It looks like his name is > written in the priest's hand. > > > > Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a > lot. > > > > Debbie Shepherd Mendonca > > > > > > Link for 1861, page 0012, top left > Marriage Record > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1860-1869/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1860-1869_item1/P26.html> > > > > > > > > Researching > > 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada, > later Hawaii and California > > 2. 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