Hey Linda, I appreciate you looking into it!
The running story in our family was that no one on Graciosa would marry them (whatever that means) and she was indeed pregnant at the time. With Graciosa being so insular and small, it's a very convincing theory that they may have had to leave On Sunday, 26 January 2020 22:11:35 UTC-6, linda wrote: > > > > Thanks Bill S. and Brian M., > > I enjoyed spending some time last week looking at your records and > thinking about this couple. To help me envision where they were in their > first years together, I printed out a map and added some arrows. > > > (I can't seem to attach or insert the map... try this: > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AEyfltgiF106yoPM1awIJEuUM4JKCHM2 ) > > According to their (self-reported) marriage record: > > 1847: Maria was in Urzelina; Francisco was on Graciosa > 1848: Maria was in Urzelina: Francisco was on Graciosa > 1849: Maria was in Ponta Delgada; Francisco was in Ponta Delgada > > Lent in 1849 was between 22 February and 8 Easter (give or take a day-- > the date conversion program I used had a problem plotting the 19th dates on > the calendar) > Maria's conception date was probably between 21 to 28 March 1849 (using > Manuel's birth/baptismal dates and assuming the pregnancy carried to a > normal term) > > So, Maria and Francisco conceived their first child during Lent in 1849. > According to their marriage record, that Lenten season they were both in > Ponta Delgada (economic migration?). > > But, it crossed my mind to wonder if the couple went to Ponta Delgada -- > the largest town on the most populous island-- to mitigate the scandal of a > hasty marriage and a very "short" pregnancy. Maria would have realized > and become certain that she was pregnant in April/May. The marriage would > then have had to have been arranged between late April and late June/early > July because the marriage banns would have been read at the end of June or > beginning of July before they were able to wed. > > Utter speculation, but I enjoyed thinking about it, and I hope you don't > mind me gossiping about them. No disrespect intended. > > best wishes, > > Linda > > > > > > On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 11:09:31 AM UTC-8, Brian Margarit wrote: >> >> I forgot to mention - Maria was pregnant at the time of her marriage. >> The Ponta Delgado locale, I've always assumed, is because the priest in >> Guadalupe wouldnt marry them because of that. Who knows, though. >> >> On Friday, 24 January 2020 13:03:25 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote: >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> I wish I could've seen this sooner. >>> >>> I'm still in the process of getting everything together on MyHeritage >>> and can let you know so you can match up. >>> >>> I have a very abridged timeline for you since I know you have a lot of >>> this information. This is just base facts for you. >>> >>> Carpenter >>> Born in 1828 (Santa Cruz) died 1887 (Urzelina) >>> >>> Married Maria Isabel in Ponta Delgado 1849 but they lived in Santa Cruz >>> still. My grandmother said it was "because no one could marry them on the >>> island". That's the extent of the reasoning that I know or have found. >>> >>> Lean crops & small famine in Graciosa and death of their son Joao as a >>> result, prompted their move to Sao Jorge. The family lore is that they >>> were supposed to go to Faial, but couldn't for some reason. >>> >>> Francisco dies in 1887, Urzelina. My aunt has two photos from 1910 of >>> his gravestone in Sao Mateus cemetery, as well as another Cordeiro that >>> I've never been able to make out the first name or dates for. >>> >>> I don't have any information of a Francis Cordeiro, he's not in the >>> records I have of the family. >>> >>> If you have any more questions, you know how to reach me. I'll be going >>> to Sao Jorge, Graciosa and Terceira in two months and will be covering all >>> parishes. >>> >>> - Brian >>> >>> On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:31:49 UTC-5, Mara wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Bill, >>>> >>>> Here is the information: >>>> >>>> Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroísmo - ilhas >>>> Terceira, Graciosa e São Jorge | >>>> >>>> Endereço eletrónico: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Margaret v >>>> >>>> *From: *Bill Seidler >>>> *Sent: *January 22, 2020 10:08 PM >>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Margaret, once again thank you very much. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am strongly leaning toward concluding that Francis and Francisco are >>>> the same person, but I would like to feel I have eliminated other >>>> possibilities to whatever extent possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am hoping to visit Terceira and São Jorge later this year, but just >>>> in case I don't make it, can you tell me how I might order a copy of the >>>> inventory? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/99e66d10-46c2-4b34-9034-efd69af0fc99%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/99e66d10-46c2-4b34-9034-efd69af0fc99%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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