Nir, I'm focusing my attention onto this word kind and not onto words with segol-segol.
Concerning nouns with tsere-tsere --------> there are more than those you say. And so, XR$, deaf (Ex 4:11) and other that are not found in the Bible. Now, nouns with tsere-segol I found recently the complete list of this noun type -no matter they appear in the bible or not-. This list consists of around 60 nouns and these are the ONLY to fit this vowel pattern within the whole of the Hebrew language. But I intended to find an answer to this question: is there a common denominator to these 60 nouns? As I wrote in a preceding post, I am ready to send that list to those who are interested in the issue (preferably by private mail, unless moderators of this forum think that it can be of a general interest for the list members) Regards Pere Porta (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain) 2011/5/3 Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. <[email protected]> > dear pere, > > the type of questions you have been asking relate to post-masoretic hebrew, > i.e. involves shoresh AND niqud. there is nothing wrong with this, except > (as is becoming clear (for me) from recent correspondence) you are > considering > a dialect consolidated over a very long time. so, i dont know > if you can expect very clear-cut answers or a single logic behind the > words. > > my best shot is this: words with cere-segol are true nouns derived from > verbs, and allow the plural. they contain all 3 letters of a recognized > hebrew root. and stress on the 1st syllable > > the small set of words with cere-cere may have originated from other word > constructions which do not allow the plural: teveth (the name of a month), > and > tevel (there is only one...). they do not coincide with the three > letters of a recognized hebrew root (unless the late TBL=spice is included > as a root; even there, hebrew makes an exception and calls it TAVLIYN). > and stress on the second syllable. > > what these alleged "other constructions" were, i cannot imagine. as i > fail to see agriculture in the semitic (lunar!) months, i can only > imagine TEVETH to have an astronomical connotation - by the way, > so does TEVEL... > > i also wonder why you consider those and not, for example, segol-segol. > > best > nir cohen > > > > >>>> De: Pere Porta <[email protected]> > Cópia: Hebrew <[email protected]> > Para: Randall Buth <[email protected]> > Data: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:05:21 +0200 > Assunto: Re: [b-hebrew] Tevel vs Evel > Dear b-hebrew listees, > I'm doing a comparison between several noun types in order to make some > systematization of their patterns. > I find nouns consisting of three root letters with tsere in the first and > tsere in the second. > And so, TBL, world (Ps 19:5) or TB+, Tebeth (a month of the year) (Est > 2:16) > And I find nouns consisting of three root letters with tsere in the first > but with segol in the second: > )BL, mourning (2Sa 14:2) > SFR, book (2Sa 1:18) > $B+, tribe (Gn 49:10) > Can anyone provide a good reason of this different pattern? > I mean: not *"the Hebrew language is like this*", but, so to say, an > "internal" reason. > --Have nouns tsere-tsere a feature common to all them? > --Have nouns tsere-segol a feature common to all them, a common > denominator? > --Could we, given this and this and this root consonants, know in advance > which pattern (tsere-tsere or tsere-segol) the resulting noun would fit if > both vowel sounds are to be 'e'? > Friendly, > Pere Porta > (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain) > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew > -- Pere Porta _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
