Welcome, Aviel.

DIMKEM (Gn 9:5) and YEDKEM (Ex 32:29) are indeed rather rare forms.
But remark that we have too $IMKEM (Is 65:15), )IMKEM (Is 50:1), LIBKEM (Gn
18:5)... and others...

Heartly,

Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)



2013/1/8 Isaac Fried <[email protected]>

>  It is not you that is confused, it is the book that is confused. In my
> humble opinion there is no such thing in Hebrew as "short" and "long"
> vowels. it is all but the figment of imagination and inventive power of
> some obsolete "grammarians". The punctuators, the נקדנים of the Hebrew
> bible did not leave us a user's manual, and we are not even sure if the
> different signs, say patach and qamets, represent different vowels sounds.
>
> It is indeed marked in the table I am using:
>
> ד"ר שאול ברקלי
> לוח השמות השלם
> הוצאת ראובן מס ירושלים תשל"ג
>
> that DAG-KA is with a qamets under the the D, but that DAG-KEM is with a
> patach under the D. This is the paradigm, and this is how we punctuate the
> words if we want to do it "correctly". The "explanation" as to why it is so
> we leave to חכמי חלם the wise men of Xelem.
>
> I will add here that the personal pronoun אתה ATAH, or AT, appears also in
> attachments as AKAH, or AK. ATEM appears to me to be the combination
> AT-HEM, and AKEM the combination AK-HEM.
>
> The table of names I mentioned above (there is also a companion table on
> verbs) are indispensable books of Hebrew grammar. Unfortunately they are
> out of print, but can often be found used.
>
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
>
>   On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:50 PM, E wrote:
>
>  B"H -
>
> I have been studying Davidson's Lexicon of Hebrew, in particular the
> "declension" of nouns they have arranged.
>
> I am stuck on a concept I can't figure out: in the 2nd declension, which
> refers mainly to reduction of kamets, they point out that when the grave
> suffix -chem is added to two words, namely
>
> YAD and DAM, the resulting forms are YED-CHEM and DIM-CHEM.
>
> They say that a patach does not result, because the forms segol-shva and
> hiriq-shva are shorter than the expected patach-shva.
>
>
> I am confused as to what this exactly means - what makes one construction
> shorter than another, when all are short vowels?
>
> How also, can vowels shorten out of their vowel types, e.g. a kamets
> moving to the e type segol, and also the i type hiriq?
>
> I was under the impression vowels do not switch into other vowel types -
> the reduction is strictly within their own boundaries.
>
> I am very curious about this question, and subscribed to this list on its
> merit. I thank anyone who can help.
>
> Best,
>
> Aviel Jones
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