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Steven, Here are the occurrences of θεός in the NWT translated as Jehovah: John 6:45, Acts 13:44,48, 16:32, 18:21, Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6, Colossians 3:16, Hebrews 2:13, James 2:23, 2Peter 3:12 Timothy Lawson From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:51:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] George Howard and Girdlestone on Hebrew in the NT, paper on NT Hebrew issues Steven, Here are the occurrences of θεός in the NWT translated as Jehovah: John 6:45, 13:44,48, 16:32, 18:21, Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6, Colossians 3:16, Hebrews 2:13, James 2:23, 2Peter 3:12 Timothy Lawson > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:05:09 -0400 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: [b-hebrew] George Howard and Girdlestone on Hebrew in the NT, paper > on NT Hebrew issues > > Hi, > > Martin Shields. > >Finally, I'll agree with everyone else, your point that "the normal > >procedure would have been for Jesus to pronounce YHWH when he read > >aloud from the Tanakh, and for the NT writers to use YHWH in quotes" > >is what you have to prove, not what you must assert! There are very > >good indications that this was most certainly NOT the "normal procedure." > > Steven > This misses the point. > > Proving that Jesus pronounced YHWH would prove ... nothing .. about a > unique proposed Hebrew insertion into a Greek autographic text by > about 7 New Testament authors. A totally unseen and implausible > phenomenon that contradicts known scribal habits and transmissional theory. > > This is what, in quite distinct ways, has been proposed by George > Howard and Rolf Furuli. And was selectively to doctrine ("context") > claimed for the NWT text. Note that this is also totally different > than translating a Hebrew text into Greek, or a Chinese text into > English, where, for various reasons, you might naturally leave in a > couple of Chinese words in Chinese letters for a special purpose. > > btw, I would like to know for what Greek verses George Howard > proposed the phenomenon for theos. "the removal of the Tetragrammaton > from the New Testament and its replacement with the surrogates kyrios > and theos" (George Howard). Afaik the NWT and Rolf are only working > with kyrios words. > > Personally, I am more than happy to conjecturally allow the > possibility that Jesus read aloud the Tetragrammaton,. And that this > does absolutely nothing to get rid of the scribal habits and textual > transmissional impossibilities of the Furuli theory. The elephants in > the living room that he will not address. > > Interestingly, one of the first writers who looked at this idea was > Robert Baker Girdlestone (1836-1923), although he was rather cautious > about any idea of the New Testament having an original Hebrew. One > of the humorous ironies is that he saw the application "contextually" > in exactly the opposite way as Rolf Furuli, and wrote: > > Synonyms of the Old Testament: Their Bearing on Christian Faith and > Practice ( 1871) > Robert Baker Girdlestone > http://books.google.com/books?id=D3YcA72rnqQC&pg=PA73 > But in Phil. 2. 9, we read that God hath highly exalted Christ Jesus, > and hath given him the name which is above every name, that in the > name of Jesus every knee should bow, and every tongue confess that > Jesus Christ is Lord (surely Jehovah) to the glory of God the Father.' > > Showing that doctrinal translation tampering can be a two-sided coin. > > There is a work that touches on the scribal habits and textual > transmissional issues some, > > Chapter 10: Removal of the Tetragrammaton from Early Greek Manuscripts > http://www.tetragrammaton.org/tetra10.html > > And this chapter does discuss very well some (not all) of the issues > that I raised in my earlier posts. Actually, some of the issues are > raised in that chapter in far more depth than was in my posts. And I > see no real weaknesses in this section, although such might be a good > discussion on a textual forum like TC-Alternate or possibly a web > forum like CARM that has a history of some spirited discussion > involving diverse viewpoints. > > Earlier post > > [b-hebrew] theories of Hebrew writing embedded in Greek NT autographs > - then redaction - today proposed emendation > Steven Avery - June 10, 2013 > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2013-June/050157.html > > Shalom, > Steven Avery > Bayside, NY > > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
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