On 10/26/05, Richard Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Perhaps my analogy misled you.
The BBC, as a television network has continually moved forward
itself. Most of the high points were when creative genius invented a
certain quality for the public to consume. be it in news,
entertainment or information on the web.It is not a competition
between Sky and the BBC as you say..... but re-branding happens in
both organisations.
So how can the BBC in one infant area lead the way now? It is my
opinion that copyright and access to certain information and content
go hand in hand. Whether it can be free and used as such is
determined by those very contracts. A few days ago there was a
discussion about using the Met office feeds..... as far as I saw,
once the price that they charge for their service was mentioned then
the ideas dried up.
It is interesting that this is a public corporation yet the nearest
the actual designers and programmers get to having all that support
is basically to give away your project should it be any good.
I think a balance of being actually able to access expensive
content ... BBC services for your itch if you like, and having the
programmers supported in their ventures, in any way, is pretty
important. I can think of a million things to do with old programmes,
just like the original dance beats of the late eighties and nineties
came from earlier songs looped or sampled by artists who were just in
to music. Those programmers took action to use that content.
This can be a brilliant place for ideas, but ultimately those ideas
seem to me mostly attached to the control and distribution of
data ......... would be great to hear from the corporation, what have
they actually got than can be used now?
Rich
On 25 Oct 2005, at 22:06, J.P.Knight wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Richard Edwards wrote:
>
>> I somewhat agree. I am not a programmer but I watch the mails here
>> for a clue as to where people want things to go. The BBC have
>> incredible resources yet there seems to be more innovation of the
>> Apple Discussions board. As an example, this week Sky News re-
>> launched, even as a normal event there should be a complete re-
>> design of the BBC news site by now.
>>
>
> Eh? Why would Sky News being re-launched (which was such massive
> news in and of itself that this was the first I'd heard of it!)
> cause a complete redesign of the BBC news website? I can imagine
> it working the other way round, but why would a leading UK web news
> service change its distinctive look-n-feel just because a wannabe
> has tried to rebrand itself?
>
>
>> As Duncan says, it is a two way street here. My thing is music,
>> but I see Backstage as a programmers BBC3...... I think it should
>> be serious, and therefore needs it's own copyright contract and
>> possibly some kind of fee structure for both sides.
>>
>
> Oh no! That sounds like it will just drift down the commercial route.
> Those of us who just want to play with BBC services and scratch a
> developmental itch will be back to square one. If folk want money-
> exchanging-contracts with the BBC, please do it in smoke filled
> rooms and not on backstage.
>
> As for the bursty nature of this mailing list, it probably depends
> on many factors, including (but not limited to) folks' free time,
> competition dead lines, sudden bouts of ideas and folk bouncing new
> ideas off each other. I don't think we've seen a "killer app" yet
> that creates a constant background of postings.
>
> Jim'll
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