On 28/11/06, Richard Hyett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Alexa stats for YouTube v BBC over the past six months tell the story well, parity six months ago, today YouTube has nearly four times the traffic. What will it be like in another six months. In some cases there is a migration, but for younger viewers/listeners/users, they just aren't going to the BBC in the first place.
i've shown that youtube graph to the BBC board three times over the past 6 months (once every two month) very useful graph that... that said, alexa data is very US biased using Neilson data, in the UK, youtube is 14th most popular site (BBC is 4th) BUT it's growing really fast (not as fast as wikipedia, though, which is now 10th most popular) but it's the shift in behaviour that matters... and it's happening fast for the young (though on average kids still watch 18 hours of TV a week, and use the web for 2.5 hours)
It's not just television, radio will get sidelined too. Half the BBC Radio 4 content I would like to listen to is not available yet in a podcast friendly format, so that half gets replaced by mostly US content, which seems more positive in tone. Occassionaly the ipod will fail in the car, I run out of podcasts and TWIT gets replaced with You and Yours on FM, but not for long.
now this i buy... you and yours is... well, it just is... but remember, we are bound by a regulatory process for launching a new service - the reason that only a few shows are in the podcast trial is because it's a trial, aimed at judging demand as part of the regulatory process (the dreaded public value test)
On 28/11/06, Jeremy Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see your normal tv down the dumper but raise you a tv alright after > all (its that flakey cbs data again but with added stuff online in US > but not UK..yet...caveat) > > "ICM's data would seem to run counter to recent data from American > networks. A recent poll from CBS indicates that viewers who are exposed > to video online become regular viewers offline. (CBS is also the most > popular producer on YouTube.) If you give credence to the CBS online > exposure strategy, and you understand that UK media companies don't > offer as many programs online as do their American counterparts, then > it's possible that the ICM survey data simply indicates that British > viewers aren't being "redirected" to view offline programs. In other > words, they're migrating to the Web and aren't being offered any > incentives to migrate back to television. > > That hypothesis will be put to the test in the next year, during which > the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 will begin offering most of their shows on > demand on the Internet." > http://www.reelpopblog.com/2006/11/bbc_online_view.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright > > Sent: 28 November 2006 10:45 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon > > > > I see your 'written by a Torrent site' and raise you a > > 'written by a broadcaster' > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6168950.stm > > > > "Some 43% of Britons who watch video from the internet or on > > a mobile device at least once a week said they watched less > > normal TV as a result." > > > > Sigh. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester > > Sent: 27 November 2006 18:24 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [backstage] Psiphon > > > > Its certainly interesting. > > > > Something I was reading the other day > > http://torrentfreak.com/downloading-tv-shows-leads-to-more-tv- > > watching/ > > > > "Earlier this month we estimated that almost a million > > viewers get their latest Lost episode through BitTorrent. TV > > broadcasters are now beginning to realize that making shows > > available for download is helping their business, instead of > > hurting it. > > > > CBS's chief research officer David Poltrack said that online > > distribution services like YouTube and BitTorrent are > > friends, not foes." > > > > Poltrack is not too keen on the paid distribution model > > iTunes offers right now. He thinks that TV shows should be > > available for free via ad-supported models. In a panel > > discussion at the Future of Television Forum Poltrack said > > that "if [consumers] are going to steal it, give it to them > > anyway. But also make it easier to access and present it > > better than YouTube or BitTorrent or anywhere else." > > > > :) > > > > Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -----Original > > Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard > > P Edwards > > Sent: 27 November 2006 18:07 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [backstage] Psiphon > > > > I believe that the music market place has already answered > > your question Ian. > > The only "successful" new model allows the customer to use > > any authorised device to play the downloaded music on..... > > therefore quelling a few of the customers complaints, but > > still not going far enough. > > If I can already watch content on my computer, then the BBC > > has to acknowledge that the same computer can travel with me, > > so using Geo IP becomes a censorship which I will either find > > a way around, or go and view someone else's content. > > As is mentioned on today's News site, perhaps the real debate > > should therefore be the other way around, how does the BBC > > keep its viewers. > > and why is there so much fear about "losing" content, when as > > soon as it appears on TV it is effectively sold anyway? > > I agree with Ricky Gervais, I don't think that a program > > loses its value just because someone can download it. In > > fact, if it is good enough then it finds a larger market place. > > I understand the law completely, but as has also been > > affected today, perhaps the thinking of the "suits" is > > slightly out of touch where copyright is concerned. :-) I > > would love to see the BBC reverse its thinking and engage us, > > as the public, in allowing much more access, even if they > > have to pressure government to change the law. > > There is nothing to fear :-) > > > > On 27 Nov 2006, at 16:01, Ian Forrester wrote: > > > > > Alright alright, I walked into the last two comments :) > > > > > > But its certainly an interesting debate, what would (we) > > the BBC do if > > > > > Geo IP was so easily passed. And what would you do if it > > was so easy? > > > > > > I thought this might be amusing for some. > > > http://blogs.opml.org/tommorris/ > > > 2006/11/27#obviousTruthsForIdiotsInSuits > > > > > > Specially this line - "Television isn't dead yet. But, for me, it's > > > lying on the ground wounded." > > > > > > > > > Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 -----Original > > > Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > > > Sent: 27 November 2006 14:54 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [backstage] Psiphon > > > > > > On 11/27/06, Ian Forrester < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> What happens when setting up a proxy service is as easy as > > running an > > > > >> application and using one is as easy as typing in a url? > > > > > > isn't that what Torpark is all about? > > > http://www.torrify.com/ > > > > > > -- > > > Jakob. > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ > > > mailing_list.html. 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