On 31/10/2007, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > your unalterable right to copy what you > want, when you want. You don't say "you should be able to make limited > 'fair use' copies for..." - no, you repeatedly state that it's your right to > do anything you want with any creative material,
File sharing between friends is essential for friendship, which is a long way back from "anything you want." > and that the original > creators have no moral right to deny you that. You then try and make it > sound warm and fluffy by going on to state, with no justifiation, that > giving away other people's creativity is one of the central tenets of > friendship - and if anyone has the temerity to disagree, they're horrid, > unfriendly people. Sharing copies is how the youth of today roll, bro. Its self evident. > > Magnatune.com dude. > > I'm not saying you *don't* ever buy music. Once you've bought it though - > you want to copy it and give it to other people so they don't have to pay > for it. Please look at www.magnatune.com and note that their business model allows you to copy all their music and give it to other people so they don't have to pay for it for the own personal listening. But if they want to use the music commercially, or modify it, they have to license those rights. > If you were talking about making up mixtapes, or burning a couple of tracks > to a CD and say "listen to this - it's fantastic, you should go and get the > album", I'd say you have a point. But you're not. You're suggesting that > everyone has the right to copy anything and everything, when, how and where > they like, not for personal backups, or to play in the car when they've got > the CD at home, It is inarguable that they should have those "fair use" rights, and this is a central problem of DRM, since it tramples them. > or to get their mates into their new favourite band, but to > give to their friends This is arguable, and I have a position that differs from the law to date. But the law isn't an authority on ethics. For example, in living memory in places in the USA, it was illegal to sit at the front of a bus if you were black. That something is illegal didn't mean it is wrong. > so they can avoid paying any money for it. I'm all in favor of sending money to artists whose work we value, and there are many schemes that can be arranged to make this convenient. They aren't yet implemented on a large scale. I think it will happen, because it has to: friend-to-friend sharing is an unavoidable effect of the Internet, and here to stay. But the paying money happens after getting copies of the music, not before, like it was in the 20th century. > a struggling band trying to make a living from it. There is no right to make a living: Most of us cannot manage to get any money for standing on the street and making faces. But we are not, as a result, condemned to spend our lives standing on the street making faces, and starving. We do something else. But that is the wrong answer because it accepts your implicit assumption: that without cutting up friendship and community, artists cannot possibly be paid a penny. Supposedly it is all or nothing. > The business model of the music business *is* changing, you're quite right, > but that doesn't automatically give you the right to take away one large > proportion of a band's income. Its changing because we have that right, and we are exercising it. > It's a loss of revenue. Buggy whips suffered terrible losses of revenue when cars came along and STOLE their POTENTIAL SALES. The horror. > > > It's not an intellectual freedom that you're arguing > > > > No, because that's to do with modification, which is only neccessary > > for functional works, not artistic ones. > > Now you're grasping at straws / trying to derail the argument. A moral > freedom / an intellectual freedom - whatever. You don't have that right. "Whatever"? hohh For functional works like software, intellectual freedom is essential. For artistic works, it isn't. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
