On Friday 05 November 2010 20:12:03 Blake Dunlap wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 13:24, Kern Sibbald <k...@sibbald.com> wrote:
> > On Friday 05 November 2010 19:06:58 Heitor Medrado de Faria wrote:
> > > What if new comunity features (ex.: rerun failed jobs) were priced, and
> > > if we got that ammount on donations Bacula System would implement and
> > > distribute the code?
> >
> > Sorry, but I don't really understand your question.  Are you making a
> > suggestion?  or are you asking a hypothetical question?
> >
> > One point, a small programming project of say about 1 man month of work,
> > costs
> > about $20,000 for any company so any reasonable sized project is out of
> > the reach of any community contributions.
> >
> > Bacula Systems does do funded development (only for customers), but to
> > date,
> > no funds received have ever come close to covering all the costs -- the
> > difference is made up by Bacula Systems.
> >
> > Kern
>
> He may not understand the scope, but I do. The odds are probably tiny that
> any goal would be actually met by individuals, but I doubt that just
> individuals would see the use in this. Plus it doesn't really cost much to
> maintain a couple bar graphs tracking money people have sent you, and it's
> additional revenue that you would never have had otherwise for the most
> part. 

I am not sure tracking would ever recover the time to develop it and maintain 
it.  If I am not mistaken, there have been no contributions in well over a 
year.  That is the reality, and is OK, I am not complaining.  

> While you 

Here and below, I assume you mean Bacula Systems, which is very distinct from 
the Bacula project.

> may be cheaper than say Veritas et al, your current price  
> structure is still far outside the realm that most all small (or even
> medium) business backup budgets 

I wouldn't agree with the above, first Bacula Systems does have some small 
business customers.  For individuals and very small companies the pricing may 
not be within their budget, but the community version should satisfy their 
needs.  Bacula Systems' target customers are the medium to large and very 
large businesses.  We don't target small customers, though gladly accept them 
and have some, because we have no way to support a large number of them -- we 
are a very small company that cannot handle thousands or hundreds of 
thousands of customers.

For small customers, there are a lot of local small service companies that can 
install and support Bacula or if they don't mind a proprietary solution they 
can purchase Zmanda, which has a pricing structure that works well for small 
companies, but not at all reasonable for large companies (500 - 10,000 
clients).

> that I've worked or consulted for would 
> ever consider for backup software, especially with not just competition
> from your community product, but Amanda et al.
>
> As much as I hate to admit it, it reminds me of Sveasoft's (if you haven't
> heard of them, they were one of the first to make a derivitive of busybox
> for the WRT54G wireless routers with a wide feature set -- It's worth
> Googling, but I'd ignore the side issues they had with the community)
> business model in some respects, athough with a lot less malicious intent.
> I'm just saying it's worth a conversation internally, if nothing else.

I don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about in the previous 
paragraph.

Kern



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