On Friday 29 September 2006 16:53, Mike Reinehr wrote: > I'm catching up with this thread with interest after just coming into work > this morning. Kern, my sympathy. I can imagine how frustrated you are, but it > just goes to show how good a programmer you are, that it wasn't Bacula after > all!
Thanks. :-) > > After reading the merits & weaknesses of RHEL, SUSE, & Centos, I have only one > question. Have you considered or tried Debian lately? I settled on Debian > several years ago after becoming disenchanted with each of the major > commercial distributions and haven't regreted it for a moment. (My servers > are humming along happily with Debian AMD64-Sarge & Bacula 1.36 as we speak!) Yes, I tried Debian (3.1 if I remember right), but where I could get it to install, it came with a 2.4 kernel, and it won't install on most systems I want because it cannot recognize either my graphics card or my ethernet card. Without the ethernet card, I either go through a painful process of writing files to a CD or give up, which is what I did. Yes, Debian is very stable, and they are good about applying security fixes to their production system, but getting it running is a problem, they don't yet (at least as of a few months ago) provide security updates for "testing", and they lag very far behind where I want to be on my development machine. I don't want to sound in the least like I am knocking Debian, it just doesn't at the moment quite fit what I am looking for. I see that they are discussing/changing a lot of things (possibly hiring developers!), perhaps some of that comes from Ubantu, so I'm lingering in the sidelines waiting to see what happens. I don't exclude Debian for my server, which is currently on FC4 -- except that I don't think that Debian either has SELinux (as my server does) or AppArmor as SuSE does. > > Three Cheers for Bacula! Thanks, especially for the words of encouragement. Kern PS: Thanks to all of you who voted for the bug report I filed -- the last time I looked there were 18 votes! The good news as of a couple of minutes ago is that their 10.2 kernel 2.6.18-rc5-git6-2-bigsmp does not have the bug, so at least I have an all SuSE solution :-) > > cmr > > On Friday 29 September 2006 08:00, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > On Friday 29 September 2006 14:39, Alan Brown wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: > > > >> Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you > > > >> don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) > > > > > > > > The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That > > > > is > > > > too > > > > > > much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK > > > > and > > > > > > quite far given their security updates. > > > > > > Redhat offer some discounts for developers, etc. > > > > That is interesting. > > > > > As a Bacula feature request is now in their system and has been requested > > > by at least 25 different customers, they may well be interested in giving > > > you a free license for development purposes. > > > > Hmmm. That is even more interesting. > > > > I actually have RHEL and access to their network, but that is because I > > administer a machine, where the organization (MercyShips) has a global > > RedHat license. That said, other than having the CDs for recovery > > purposes, which unfortunately I needed recently, I cannot load them on my > > machines. > > > > > I don't disagree with your assessment of installations - I use suse at > > > home, but I have serious issues with their level of professionalism in > > > the commercially supported products. > > > > Well, distros are a bit of a religious thing and very personal. I look for > > leading edge software, good update/security service, and stability. RedHat > > is excellent for that, but now that they are commercial, too expensive. > > Fedora as you say and as I experienced is too "bleeding edge". I asked > > them to use a 9 month release cycle, and they sent me a very kind reply > > giving their reasons for a 6 month cycle. I then looked at a lot of > > distros: debian, kubantu, ubantu, madrivia, ... However, most of them > > wouldn't even install on a leading edge Dell (debian, ubantu), others > > (kubantu) are for users that don't know Unix or the distro is a one man > > show without a significant organization, or rely on other distros for > > security patches, ... > > > > For me, for the moment, with the exception of this SCSI bug, SuSE has been > > great (as I say, for me). One good thing from the time I wasted on this > > "bug" is that I learned that within certain restrictions (SeLinux, > > AppArmor, ...), unlike rpms, I can mix and match kernels from different > > distros as I want. > > > > > (Having said that, RHEL installation is also very straoghtforward) > > > > Yes, but if *anything* goes wrong, it simply dies. SuSE has a vga > > exception handler that takes over (sort of like a rescue disk) that allows > > you in many cases to get out of trouble -- e.g. switch where the source CDs > > are coming from, .... really quite cool. > > > > > AB > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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