Dear Scott, I think you may have misunderstood what I meant to say. I
didn't mean that there were different groups disagreed about the
status of the Bab. I'm saying that among those who believe in the
status of the Bab, there are differences and disagreements about other
matters.
I said it that way because on previous occasions when I've seen the
issue discussed, "Bahai" is usually defined in very narrow way which
defines sectarian problems out of existence.
Every time there was a transition in leadership (Bab, Bahaullah,
Abdul-Baha, Shoghi Effendi, UHJ) there was a split between those who
took one fork and those who went some other way.
That's all I'm saying.
Peace
Gilberto
On 9/2/05, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On 9/2/05, Iskandar Hai, M.D. wrote:
> > I'm trying to emphasize that religious animosity and warfare and sectarian
> > hatred and violence are really really destructive even though it's
> > exercised by a tiny minority of folks.
>
> And I would suggest that a better way to do that on a Bahai list would
> be to talk about the conflicts between those who believe in the Bab's
> status as a manifestation (Azalis, Remeyites, Juan Cole and other
> Bahai dissidents, etc.)
>
> Peace
>
> Gilberto
>
>
>
> Gilberto,
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>
>
> "Mainstream" Baha`i's do not quibble with the status of the Bab as a
> Manifestation. He was. By the way, those you referred to as Azalis do not
> call themselves "Azalis", they call themselves "Bayanis". The breaking point
> of belief was that the followers of Azal and some other, now mostly extinct
> groups of Babis did not accept Baha`u'llah as a Manifestation - in
> particular His claim to be "He Whom God Will Make Manifest".
>
> Not all of those Babis were willing to accept Subhi Azal's claim either.
>
> As to Remeyites, they do not quibble that the Bab was a Manifestation in His
> Own right. Not any of the multitude of splintered splinters of groups who
> stem from the Remeyites either. Juan Cole seems to consider himself a Baha`i
> whether or not the Baha`i Administrative Order does. He does not quibble
> with the status of the Bab or Baha`u'llah as Manifestations. His problem is
> with the modern-day establishment (as best I understand his position, and I
> certainly hope I am not misstating. it).
>
> Baha`i "dissidents" to the best of my knowledge all consider the Bab and
> Baha`u'llah to be Manifestations of God. Their problem with acceptance of
> the "mainstream" lies further down the pike after the passing of Abdu'l Baha
> mostly.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
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