On 10/27/05, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Scott:
> > Tribal warfare tends to be BRUTAL warfare.
> > Whether it be Hebrews, Arab,
> > Hutu, or whatever.
Gilberto
> How are you measuring brutality? There are larger casualties in modern
> wars. Humans have certainly gotten more efficient at killing. Wars
> today still include horrible atrocities. If you look at the history of
> warfare I doubt that you would see much evidence of human progress.
Scott:
> I am measuring brutality by this standard:
> Do the combatants go out of their way to kill women and children -
> non-combatants? Is the purpose of the battle or war to eradicate and ethnic
> group or tribe?
> World War Two is kind of split in this. [Description of various WWII
> atrocities deleted]
Gilberto:
Yes, I agree. WWII was a horrible war where many awful things were
done. Even on both sides. Dresden. Hiroshima. Nagasaki. Tokyo as well
as the obvious atrocities of the Axis powers.
Scott:
> So, is the standard of Muhammed in the 7th century AD an improvement over
> the times of His youth? Ever so much! Are the standards of warfare of
> Muhammed more civilized and less brutal than the times of Joshua? Ever so
> much!
Gilberto:
I don't think you have given enough factual evidence to settle the
question since this is the Bahai group and not the WWII history group
or history of modern warfare group, it probably would be bad idea to
get into it. Serbians against the Bosnians. Hutus and Tutsis.
Hatfields and McCoys. Humanity hasn't changed so much.
Scott:
> When modern day Islamic leaders say "Israel must be wiped from the face of
> the earth" is this acceptable by modern standards?
I don't think it would be constructive to get into politics. You are
looking at selective voices and calling them "Islamic leaders" when
there are also Muslims who take different positions. And you are
totally silent about Jewish settlers who say the same thing about
Palestinians. It makes you look unbalanced, one-sided.
> The law of
> Islam would be used by any number of Islamic pundits to justify wiping out
> modern Israeli to the last man, and enslave the women and children, and by
> those standards it might be acceptable.
Where does the Quran say to do this? Where in the hadith does it
actually say to do this? I'd appreciate it if you didn't claim to
speak for what "Islamic pundits" would say.
-Gilberto
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