The Baha'i Studies Listserv
I wholeheartedly agree with Humanist praise for the Golden Rule. Authoritarian 
dogmatic attachment to a conventional code of laws and rules will cause people 
to lose sight of the Golden Rule.

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray <> wrote:

> The Baha'i Studies Listserv
> I forgot to include specific religious ethics. Note, Scientology and Wicca 
> are good examples of the       hypothesis. The Baha'i Faith and Religious 
> Humanism are good examples as well.
> The "Declaration Toward a Global Ethic"[34] from the Parliament of the 
> World’s Religions[35][36] (1993) proclaimed the Golden Rule ("We must treat 
> others as we wish others to treat us") as the common principle for many 
> religions.[37] The Initial Declaration was signed by 143 respected leaders 
> from all of the world's major faiths, including Baha'i Faith, Brahmanism, 
> Brahma Kumaris, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Indigenous, Interfaith, 
> Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Native American, Neo-Pagan, Sikhism, Taoism, 
> Theosophist, Unitarian Universalist and Zoroastrian.[37][38] In the folklore 
> of several cultures{31} the Golden Rule is depicted by the allegory of the 
> long spoons.
> The Writings of the Bahá'í Faith while encouraging everyone to treat others 
> as they would treat themselves, go further by introducing the concept of 
> preferring others before oneself:
> O SON OF MAN! Deny not My servant should he ask anything from thee, for his 
> face is My face; be then abashed before Me.
> —Bahá'u'lláh[39]
> Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself.
> —Bahá'u'lláh[40][41]
> And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour 
> that which thou choosest for thyself.
> —Bahá'u'lláh[42][43]
> Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, 
> and say not that which thou doest not.
> —Bahá'u'lláh[44][45][46]
> Beware lest ye harm any soul, or make any heart to sorrow; lest ye wound any 
> man with your words, be he known to you or a stranger, be he friend or foe.
> —`Abdu'l-Bahá[47]
> Many different sources claim the Golden Rule as a humanist principle:[55][56]
> Trying to live according to the Golden Rule means trying to empathise with 
> other people, including those who may be very different from us. Empathy is 
> at the root of kindness, compassion, understanding and respect – qualities 
> that we all appreciate being shown, whoever we are, whatever we think and 
> wherever we come from. And although it isn’t possible to know what it really 
> feels like to be a different person or live in different circumstances and 
> have different life experiences, it isn’t difficult for most of us to imagine 
> what would cause us suffering and to try to avoid causing suffering to 
> others. For this reason many people find the Golden Rule’s corollary – “do 
> not treat people in a way you would not wish to be treated yourself” – more 
> pragmatic.[55]
> The above is from the website Think Humanism
> Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you. [is] (...) the 
> single greatest, simplest, and most important moral axiom humanity has ever 
> invented, one which reappears in the writings of almost every culture and 
> religion throughout history, the one we know as the Golden Rule. Moral 
> directives do not need to be complex or obscure to be worthwhile, and in 
> fact, it is precisely this rule's simplicity which makes it great. It is easy 
> to come up with, easy to understand, and easy to apply, and these three 
> things are the hallmarks of a strong and healthy moral system. The idea 
> behind it is readily graspable: before performing an action which might harm 
> another person, try to imagine yourself in their position, and consider 
> whether you would want to be the recipient of that action. If you would not 
> want to be in such a position, the other person probably would not either, 
> and so you should not do it. It is the basic and fundamental human trait of 
> empathy, the ability to vicariously experience how another is feeling, that 
> makes this possible, and it is the principle of empathy by which we should 
> live our lives.[57]
> The above is from the website Ebon Musings
> According to Greg M. Epstein, a Humanist chaplain at Harvard University, " 
> 'do unto others' ... is a concept that essentially no religion misses 
> entirely. But not a single one of these versions of the golden rule requires 
> a God".[58]
> These eight words the Rede fulfill, 'an ye harm none do as ye will.
> —The Wiccan Rede
> Here ye these words and heed them well, the words of Dea, thy Mother Goddess, 
> "I command thee thus, O children of the Earth, that that which ye deem 
> harmful unto thyself, the very same shall ye be forbidden from doing unto 
> another, for violence and hatred give rise to the same. My command is thus, 
> that ye shall return all violence and hatred with peacefulness and love, for 
> my Law is love unto all things. Only through love shall ye have peace; yea 
> and verily, only peace and love will cure the world, and subdue all evil."
> —The Book of Ways, Devotional Wicca
> 19. Try not to do things to others that you would not like them to do to you.
> —The Way to Happiness, Precept 19[73][74]
> 20. Try to treat others as you would want them to treat you.
> —The Way to Happiness, Precept 20[75][76]
> Consistent with the observation by Walter Terence Stace "that 'doing as you 
> would be done by' includes taking into account your neighbor's tastes as you 
> would that he should take yours into account" (see Criticisms and responses 
> to criticisms), Scientologyaddresses the issue concerning differences in 
> values or interests by focusing on the values and interests of the recipient 
> of the conduct:
> Thus today we have two golden rules for happiness: 1. Be able to experience 
> anything; and 2. Cause only those things which others are able to experience 
> easily.
> —Scientology: A New Slant on Life, Two Rules for Happy Living[70][71][72]
> Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:43, Stephen Kent Gray <> wrote:
>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv
>> I remember talking about these concepts earlier. Post conventional morality 
>> is based on a social contract and universal ethical principles without 
>> regards to specific terms on which they need to be based upon. Conventional 
>> morality is based on authority and conformity which requires a specific norm 
>> and everyone to conform to it. Pre conventional morality is based on rewards 
>> and punishments. 
>> Don C seem to think the Baha'i Faith is the prime example of a post 
>> conventional religion. You can look at them and see which new religious 
>> movements are even better examples of a post conventional religion. This is 
>> especially with regards to sexual morality and ethics as a subtropical as 
>> well. 
>> Bahai's tend to have a lot of conventional morality. Just look at the Aqdas 
>> and try and see wether or not that qualifies as a convention. 
>> To summarize, why is anything more than the platinum rule, golden rule, 
>> silver rule, and non aggression principle which are all the same thing 
>> enough? Especially when you apply these to sexuality (which was the last 
>> topic that spilled over in those topic)? 
>> Among major religious groups or world religions: Baha'i Faith, Cao Dai, 
>> Cheodogyo, Tenrikyo, Wicca, Sekai Kysuei Kyo, Seicho No Ie, Rastafarianism, 
>> Unitarian Universalism, Scientology, Eckankar, LaVeyanism, Raëlism, 
>> Neo-Druidism, etc. are all new religious movements. 
>> Sent from my iPad

You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:
Unsubscribe: send a blank email to
Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to
Or subscribe:
Baha'i Studies is available through the following:
Mail -
Web -
News (on-campus only) - news://
Old Public -
New Public -

Reply via email to