No, am not discounting the power to weight ratio. Nor am I discounting
torque to weight ratio.
I have not made the calculation, but going by what you said, 48 bhp / ton Vs
68 bhp / ton => a difference of ~20%. That is not small ! Now add to that
the gearing. The first gear (out of 5) in a motorbike is shorter than the
first gear (out of 2) in an auto gear scooter. All this means, a bike can
pull much more easily than any autogear we have here. Especially in a
pillion + incline / hump or quickly overtake scenario.

Better brakes on bike *more* than compensate for the extra weight. If you
check the stopping distances of the best scooter and an average 150+ cc
bike, the bike will be lesser. I remember reading those figures but cannot
recal exact figures. Too bad that Nav (the statistics man) isn't around :)

And yes, by 'well ridden' I mean 'safe *and* fast'. A well ridden motorbike
will beat a well ridden scooter most of the time. The times when the scooter
betters a bike is when the difference in wheelbase means getting in between
and out of two bigger vehicles or if the scooter rider is plain lucky.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, flyin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>   You're discounting the power to weight factor here. with indian
> bikes/scoots having a difference of about 10bhp from lowest powered to
> highest. and weight of 50kilos(lowest to highest).
>
> a 50kilo person on a scoot(100kilo) making say 7bhp to a 100kilo person on
> a 150kilo bike(bike+fuel) with 17bhp is not much of a difference given
> traffic. (48 hp/ton to 68 hp/ton - if you take the means difference is
> lesser)
>
> Better brakes on a bike, sure. But you're also hauling in more mass, and
> maybe more speed. Its all about average speed innit?
>
> And well-ridden bikes can be beat by well-ridden scoots in traffic. (well
> ridden of course means, fast n safe!)
>
> cheers,
> Prasanna.
>
>


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