Ignore the specific scenarios - especially with pillion as then the power to weight becomes embarrassing for a scoot. The bike's extra power comes into play when you've long straights AND not so much traffic - not very available in most cities.
What I am saying is that the average speed plays a hand. A big one, even. When you dont have to slow down from 80 to 20, only from say 40/50 to 20, it makes a big difference. Works even better if you're a late braker. Oh and the well ridden was qualified cos I thot it deserved one (and not cos I misunderstood). Even a bike going at a constant speed of 40, safely, can be well ridden. Prasanna PS:(not snipping) ----- Original Message ---- From: Kailas Shastry R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 14 April, 2008 6:23:40 PM Subject: Re: [bajajpulsar] How much are you willing to pay for an R15? No, am not discounting the power to weight ratio. Nor am I discounting torque to weight ratio. I have not made the calculation, but going by what you said, 48 bhp / ton Vs 68 bhp / ton => a difference of ~20%. That is not small ! Now add to that the gearing. The first gear (out of 5) in a motorbike is shorter than the first gear (out of 2) in an auto gear scooter. All this means, a bike can pull much more easily than any autogear we have here. Especially in a pillion + incline / hump or quickly overtake scenario. Better brakes on bike *more* than compensate for the extra weight. If you check the stopping distances of the best scooter and an average 150+ cc bike, the bike will be lesser. I remember reading those figures but cannot recal exact figures. Too bad that Nav (the statistics man) isn't around :) And yes, by 'well ridden' I mean 'safe *and* fast'. A well ridden motorbike will beat a well ridden scooter most of the time. The times when the scooter betters a bike is when the difference in wheelbase means getting in between and out of two bigger vehicles or if the scooter rider is plain lucky. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, flyin <flyinfiddlesticks@ yahoo.co. in> wrote: > You're discounting the power to weight factor here. with indian > bikes/scoots having a difference of about 10bhp from lowest powered to > highest. and weight of 50kilos(lowest to highest). > > a 50kilo person on a scoot(100kilo) making say 7bhp to a 100kilo person on > a 150kilo bike(bike+fuel) with 17bhp is not much of a difference given > traffic. (48 hp/ton to 68 hp/ton - if you take the means difference is > lesser) > > Better brakes on a bike, sure. But you're also hauling in more mass, and > maybe more speed. Its all about average speed innit? > > And well-ridden bikes can be beat by well-ridden scoots in traffic. 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