I am with Dale.
IMO it is easier to isolate radioactive isotopes than the octaves in a
lute-course. Healthier too.
RT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Young" <dyoung5...@wowway.com>
To: <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "sterling price"
<spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no?
h'aint we just something precious then?! Life is too short.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sterling price" <spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
To: <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no?
I still maintain that with a little practice it is quite possible to
isolate the fundamental with the index finger. I do it all the time in
Weiss and later music.
Sterling
----- Original Message ----
From: Daniel Shoskes <dshos...@mac.com>
To: chriswi...@yahoo.com
Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Roman Turovsky
<r.turov...@verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 12:24:37 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no?
FWIW, I've brought this question up in lessons before, suggesting that
a unison 6 th course would be a good idea. VERY strong opposition, I
think primarily on historical grounds, from Pat O'Brien, Bob Barto and
Richard Stone.
DS
On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:03 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote:
I believe I'll third that. I went from an octave to a unison on my
old lute but now have an octave 6th on the new lute. I'm finding it
very, very difficult to make sense of melodies on the sixth course
that must be played with the fingers when the thumb is playing a
diapason at the same time. This happens very often in the late
Weiss years and beyond. I don't know of any historical sources
mentioning the unison 6th, though.
Chris
--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no?
To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 9:19 AM
I'm with Dale on this issue.
RT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Young" <dyoung5...@wowway.com>
To: "wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>;
<baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
"Edward
Martin" <e...@gamutstrings.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:31 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave
or no?
I still think that the 6th course is used too often as
a melody string for
that to be octave strung. When I hear the octave jump
at the 6th in a
recording, I find it annoying for anything after 1730.
Just let the basses
start at the 7th...unless you're playing that old
music...then who
cares...not much melody to interfere with anyway.
cranky boy d.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Martin" <e...@gamutstrings.com>
To: "wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>;
<baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with
octave or no?
Hi, Arto..
Congratulations in finally entering the realm of
baroque lute. i
hope you find it rewarding.
I think you can string it however you like, using
materials which are
your favorites.
You are correct, in starting octaves at the 6th
course. One thing I
find the best is to have the tension of the
octaves at least as
strong as the fundamentals. There was a
practice about 20 years ago,
in which people used the octave only about 80% of
the tension of the
fundamentals, but this yielded unsatisfactory
result, in my
opinion. This was with Pyramid wound strings
and nylon octaves.
I usually use around 2.9 Kg of tension for the 4th
course to the 13th
course.
One thing to keep in mind is that if you use wound
- overspun basses
starting at the 9th course, where the swan
extension starts, you may
not like it (I do not), as the sustain is too
great. The very reason
for the added length for the lower basses is to
get a smaller
diameter string, so gut works beautifully for
those courses. For 13
course lutes with a rider on 12 & 13, the
length is considerably
shorter, so a wound string may work better in that
application; but
for the swan necks, gut rules.
Good luck!
ed
At 05:22 PM 10/23/2009, wikla wrote:
And of course I forgot to tell the string
lenghts:
8 courses (2 single, 6
double) 69 cm on the fingerboard and
5 (+1) courses 96 cm on the
swan extension
Arto
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:28:53 +0300, wikla
<wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
wrote:
Hi b-lutenists,
I happened to get a "Martin Hoffmann"
lute (with bad stringing) to my
hands. Single strings, old everlasting,
and also rosted, Pyramid
single
basses etc. There are anyhow enough of
pegs to double string
everything
below the two top strings...
I suppose the octave doubles should start
on the 6th course, the "A"
(and
of course below). Am I right?
Any other stringing advice? What string
tensions do you use? What
string
materials?
Arto
To get on or off this list see list
information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Edward Martin
2817 East 2nd Street
Duluth, Minnesota 55812
e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com
voice: (218) 728-1202
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name
http://www.myspace.com/edslute
To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
