I still maintain that with a little practice it is quite possible to isolate the fundamental with the index finger. I do it all the time in Weiss and later music. Sterling
----- Original Message ---- From: Daniel Shoskes <dshos...@mac.com> To: chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net> Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 12:24:37 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no? FWIW, I've brought this question up in lessons before, suggesting that a unison 6 th course would be a good idea. VERY strong opposition, I think primarily on historical grounds, from Pat O'Brien, Bob Barto and Richard Stone. DS On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:03 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: > I believe I'll third that. I went from an octave to a unison on my > old lute but now have an octave 6th on the new lute. I'm finding it > very, very difficult to make sense of melodies on the sixth course > that must be played with the fingers when the thumb is playing a > diapason at the same time. This happens very often in the late > Weiss years and beyond. I don't know of any historical sources > mentioning the unison 6th, though. > > Chris > > --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> From: Roman Turovsky <r.turov...@verizon.net> >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave or no? >> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 9:19 AM >> I'm with Dale on this issue. >> RT >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dale Young" <dyoung5...@wowway.com> >> To: "wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; >> <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; >> "Edward >> Martin" <e...@gamutstrings.com> >> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:31 PM >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with octave >> or no? >> >> >>> I still think that the 6th course is used too often as >> a melody string for >>> that to be octave strung. When I hear the octave jump >> at the 6th in a >>> recording, I find it annoying for anything after 1730. >> Just let the basses >>> start at the 7th...unless you're playing that old >> music...then who >>> cares...not much melody to interfere with anyway. >>> >>> >>> >> cranky boy d. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Edward Martin" <e...@gamutstrings.com> >>> To: "wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; >> <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:21 PM >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: B-lute 6th course, with >> octave or no? >>> >>> >>>> Hi, Arto.. >>>> >>>> Congratulations in finally entering the realm of >> baroque lute. i >>>> hope you find it rewarding. >>>> >>>> I think you can string it however you like, using >> materials which are >>>> your favorites. >>>> >>>> You are correct, in starting octaves at the 6th >> course. One thing I >>>> find the best is to have the tension of the >> octaves at least as >>>> strong as the fundamentals. There was a >> practice about 20 years ago, >>>> in which people used the octave only about 80% of >> the tension of the >>>> fundamentals, but this yielded unsatisfactory >> result, in my >>>> opinion. This was with Pyramid wound strings >> and nylon octaves. >>>> >>>> I usually use around 2.9 Kg of tension for the 4th >> course to the 13th >>>> course. >>>> >>>> One thing to keep in mind is that if you use wound >> - overspun basses >>>> starting at the 9th course, where the swan >> extension starts, you may >>>> not like it (I do not), as the sustain is too >> great. The very reason >>>> for the added length for the lower basses is to >> get a smaller >>>> diameter string, so gut works beautifully for >> those courses. For 13 >>>> course lutes with a rider on 12 & 13, the >> length is considerably >>>> shorter, so a wound string may work better in that >> application; but >>>> for the swan necks, gut rules. >>>> >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> ed >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 05:22 PM 10/23/2009, wikla wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> And of course I forgot to tell the string >> lenghts: >>>>> 8 courses (2 single, 6 >> double) 69 cm on the fingerboard and >>>>> 5 (+1) courses 96 cm on the >> swan extension >>>>> >>>>> Arto >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:28:53 +0300, wikla >> <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> >> wrote: >>>>>> Hi b-lutenists, >>>>>> >>>>>> I happened to get a "Martin Hoffmann" >> lute (with bad stringing) to my >>>>>> hands. Single strings, old everlasting, >> and also rosted, Pyramid >>>>>> single >>>>>> basses etc. There are anyhow enough of >> pegs to double string >>>>>> everything >>>>>> below the two top strings... >>>>>> >>>>>> I suppose the octave doubles should start >> on the 6th course, the "A" >>>>>> (and >>>>>> of course below). Am I right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Any other stringing advice? What string >> tensions do you use? What >>>>>> string >>>>>> materials? >>>>>> >>>>>> Arto >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To get on or off this list see list >> information at >>>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edward Martin >>>> 2817 East 2nd Street >>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >>>> e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com >>>> voice: (218) 728-1202 >>>> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name >>>> http://www.myspace.com/edslute >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
