I am glad you got to vent, Chris. May I please clear some things up? I am not invested in any outcome here. I have decided to stay on this list for many years, in spite of the aggression heaped upon me from time to time, such as being accused of being as bad as Hitler, accused of being out of touch with reality, and now being accused of calling you a lurker.
I don't care who lurks, who speaks or what they say. Allan is concerned about lurkers, or more appropriately: he is concerned that because of a lack of securiity on the internet, that there are many valuable members of this list who don't feel comfortable enough to speak out. I doubt that a password protected archive would help all of them open up. I agree that there are many levels and ways of being an activist, and working from "inside" is a good one. I hope you don't have to compromise yourself to do so. I am not a sign waver, I get along with people from many walks of life and I don't profess to have some special wisdom. When I joined this list, I lived in NYC and was always out front about who I thought I represented on this list at that time: a consumer. That was in 1996, I think & I belonged to a biodynamic csa and had been informed about Allan's list when it was in it's infancy. I mostly thrilled to learn that not only did the bd food I'd been eating for 6 years taste great and have more life force than any fresh food I'd eaten, but it had a spiritual component as well. My husband and I started reading Steiner, I did a workshop and stirred preparation 500 at a NYAnthro society with Guenther Hauk and put the preps (500 & 501) which I received from Ferdinand on my houseplants and the trees out front and a little in Central Park for two years. Granted I read Steiner really slowly, have a bit of trouble with the lack of a female centric presence of any kind other than Sophia/Isis and had some lively debates about it at that time. Then I was lucky to escape the city and learn more in a hands on way in my own garden. Without this list, I doubt I would have learned anything about bd other than how good some biodynamic produce tasted & felt in my body. I am not at all Bd pious, in fact I find that funny. When the mess between Ann (Demeter) and Mr. Willis happened, I took it upon myself to contact Ann to try and find out for the list how she felt she could trademark a term that was in the public domain. I didn't get anywhere, but I was certainly not pious about that stuff. If I am pious about anything, it is to get LOVE into the world and to help people find their own path to spirit, not a path proscribed by any particular discipline or religion or cult. In fact, I have also quite vocally criticized the bd movement, anthropops, and even Allan. I'm an equal opportunity critic! :-) So don't get angry at me for speaking out in this forum for what I believe in. I don't even care if people think I am a bd pious old guard asshole, now that you have misjudged me and it's going to be in the archive. I have never wished anyone on this list to have employment problems either. I simply have the courage (or foolishness) to say what I believe and if that means you don't like me or won't give me work, then so be it. I believe we ALWAYS have choices, contrary to how things may appear at a difficult crossroads. So when Lloyd says sometimes people don't have a choice (children, aging parents to care for, rent to pay, whatever), I simply don't agree. If you think you don't have choices, then you won't. I know that there are always choices. I have NEVER told people they have to use preps or they're not bd. Frankly, I think you're taking all your frustration out on me cause I have a 'big mouth' and am NOT afraid to say what I think. Your anger at me is really misplaced. Your information on this list has often been of interest to me and I continue to read your posts. If my attitude bothers you, Chris, don't take it personally, just delete my posts. Pax, Jane PS: A google search on you just shows off your phd > From: Chris Shade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:30:40 -0800 (PST) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What do we have to LOSE/GAIN Re: LURKING was Re: Personal > Security / Insecurity > > I have had it with your BD piety. If you had half of > the wisdom you you think you have, you would see that > not everybody involved in social change is running > around as an acitvist waving signs and telling people > they should use preps and become enlightened. Change > happens on may levels, and some are less plainly > obvious because they deal with change from the inside.
