Very well said Jane. Gideon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Re: (What do we have to LOSE/GAIN -was Lurkers) For Chris Shade
> I am glad you got to vent, Chris. > > May I please clear some things up? I am not invested in any outcome here. I > have decided to stay on this list for many years, in spite of the aggression > heaped upon me from time to time, such as being accused of being as bad as > Hitler, accused of being out of touch with reality, and now being accused of > calling you a lurker. > > I don't care who lurks, who speaks or what they say. Allan is concerned > about lurkers, or more appropriately: he is concerned that because of a lack > of securiity on the internet, that there are many valuable members of this > list who don't feel comfortable enough to speak out. I doubt that a password > protected archive would help all of them open up. > > I agree that there are many levels and ways of being an activist, and > working from "inside" is a good one. I hope you don't have to compromise > yourself to do so. I am not a sign waver, I get along with people from many > walks of life and I don't profess to have some special wisdom. > > When I joined this list, I lived in NYC and was always out front about who I > thought I represented on this list at that time: a consumer. That was in > 1996, I think & I belonged to a biodynamic csa and had been informed about > Allan's list when it was in it's infancy. I mostly thrilled to learn that > not only did the bd food I'd been eating for 6 years taste great and have > more life force than any fresh food I'd eaten, but it had a spiritual > component as well. > > My husband and I started reading Steiner, I did a workshop and stirred > preparation 500 at a NYAnthro society with Guenther Hauk and put the preps > (500 & 501) which I received from Ferdinand on my houseplants and the trees > out front and a little in Central Park for two years. Granted I read Steiner > really slowly, have a bit of trouble with the lack of a female centric > presence of any kind other than Sophia/Isis and had some lively debates > about it at that time. > > Then I was lucky to escape the city and learn more in a hands on way in my > own garden. Without this list, I doubt I would have learned anything about > bd other than how good some biodynamic produce tasted & felt in my body. > > I am not at all Bd pious, in fact I find that funny. When the mess between > Ann (Demeter) and Mr. Willis happened, I took it upon myself to contact Ann > to try and find out for the list how she felt she could trademark a term > that was in the public domain. I didn't get anywhere, but I was certainly > not pious about that stuff. If I am pious about anything, it is to get LOVE > into the world and to help people find their own path to spirit, not a path > proscribed by any particular discipline or religion or cult. > > In fact, I have also quite vocally criticized the bd movement, anthropops, > and even Allan. I'm an equal opportunity critic! :-) > > So don't get angry at me for speaking out in this forum for what I believe > in. I don't even care if people think I am a bd pious old guard asshole, now > that you have misjudged me and it's going to be in the archive. I have never > wished anyone on this list to have employment problems either. I simply have > the courage (or foolishness) to say what I believe and if that means you > don't like me or won't give me work, then so be it. > > I believe we ALWAYS have choices, contrary to how things may appear at a > difficult crossroads. So when Lloyd says sometimes people don't have a > choice (children, aging parents to care for, rent to pay, whatever), I > simply don't agree. If you think you don't have choices, then you won't. I > know that there are always choices. > > I have NEVER told people they have to use preps or they're not bd. Frankly, > I think you're taking all your frustration out on me cause I have a 'big > mouth' and am NOT afraid to say what I think. Your anger at me is really > misplaced. > > Your information on this list has often been of interest to me and I > continue to read your posts. If my attitude bothers you, Chris, don't take > it personally, just delete my posts. > > Pax, > Jane > > PS: A google search on you just shows off your phd > > > From: Chris Shade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:30:40 -0800 (PST) > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: What do we have to LOSE/GAIN Re: LURKING was Re: Personal > > Security / Insecurity > > > > I have had it with your BD piety. If you had half of > > the wisdom you you think you have, you would see that > > not everybody involved in social change is running > > around as an acitvist waving signs and telling people > > they should use preps and become enlightened. Change > > happens on may levels, and some are less plainly > > obvious because they deal with change from the inside. >
