Well said William! Initially, I adopted Angstrom as it seemed to be the
"official" way that the Beagle community was heading. About a month,
however, ago I felt that Angstrom was not meeting my needs as far as
stability and "support", so I changed to Debian. No big deal. It only
took a day or two, with some kind help from Robert Nelson. I have not
regretted the change. Over the past few years, I have used Snapgear,
uCLinux, Buildroot, as appropriate. IMHO developing embedded systems
requires me to have some flexibility to go with the flow, and not to get
too upset if the "flavor of the month" changes from my favorite. My
experience with the Beagleboards has been generally very positive, and I
have learned to live with the few wrinkles I have found.
Nuff said. Happy New Year to all.
Dave.
On 01/01/2014 03:42 PM, William Hermans wrote:
You know what I find "funny" ?
That here is one hell of a piece of hardware ( complete system ), that
costs $45( very good price ), that works very well if you're willing
to spend some time working on it ( software ). And all a bunch of
people on this list can do is complain, find conspiracy theories, or
otherwise just try to find something wrong with it or the situation.
There is *NOTHING* better out there right now as a learning platform.
PERIOD. In fact, not only is it a very good learning platform, there
are people I know for a fact who use MANY of these in commercial type
applications. I have talked to 1-2 people who claimed to have
purchased 100 or more of these, and have talked with several people
who have over 10. Here, we own 2, and eventually we will probably own
many more.
Is the BBB perfect ? Well that is debatable, and really depends on
your needs, but I would say no. Nothing ever is. But for the price,
there really is nothing to complain about. Now if you're incapable of
working with the hardware to make it do what you want. You know what,
that is your own fault. Compulsive buyer is probably how I would
initially label these types. These people can try and twist words from
this source and that, but the truth of the matter is that this system
is a learning platform, with very good potential. *IF YOU'RE WILLING
TO WORK AT IT. *Or does every one else here think we're able to have a
complete Dell like support situation for $45 ? Right . . . keep dreaming.
Now if these people would come on the list asking for help stating
that x-y-z does not work with x-y-z platform, using x-y-z software
etc. Many people would offer to try and help, even myself. But the
same situation with the exception of complaining about it, pointing
fingers, trying to find conspiracy . . . yeah I have absolutely zero
sympathy. You know what else, I have no idea who works for TI (still ?
), who does not, and what the motivation is for this project for ANY
of the companies involved. Go out, take the schematics / gerber files
etc. Send them off to some PCB fab company, and TRY to have even just
the PCB's made for the same price as what circuitco sells the PCBA for
. . . Gratitude for ya . . .
Now to the guy talking about the Cortex M3 MCU's, and how they
seemingly went out of production overnight. If you had paid attention
to the errata for these processors in the first place you never would
have thought about using it. Not for anything serious anyway. TI
replaced these with Cortex M4's very quickly, not to mention there are
other Cortex "equivalents" ( geared towards safety, automotive etc. ).
Anyway, I need to stop as I am starting to scare myself by sounding
too much like a TI Evangelist ( which I am not) But some of you
seriously need to wake up to a fresh cup of reality.
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:11 PM, David Anders <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:55:38 AM UTC-6, Anguel wrote:
On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:37:02 PM UTC+1, Elena Grandi
wrote:
This theory has a problem: Beagleboard.org was born in
2008 or so,
much earlier than the Raspberry (which started to be known
to the
public in 2011, and was available in 2012).
Ok, I admit I am not much aware of the way Beagleboard.org
worked before the lower-cost Beaglebones were introduced, but
it has always been driven by marketing, initially aimed at
colleges, according to Wikipedia.
I just want to make clear that big companies don't do anything
without profit.
here is the thing: TI has nothing to do with beagleboard.org
<http://beagleboard.org> other than they sell the processors to
circuitco to make the boards - that's it.....
have a quick read - http://beagleboard.org/about
Of course the success of the Raspberry did influence BB.org's
products: back in 2008 the standard price for this kind of
boards was around 150$ (e.g. the original BeagleBoard) and
it had been
slowly coming down to just below 100$ (e.g. the BeagleBone
White):
it was Raspberry and its extreme corner cutting that brought
prices down below 50$, and other producers had to adapt
their offerings.
I totally agree. Nobody would buy a BBB for $150 when you can
get a Raspberry Pi. But prices of other HW components have
probably also dropped significantly since the old days.
here is the thing: in 2007 when beagleboard was started, the only
other open hardware platform that was available was the arduino.
the idea of an open hardware platform was very new. in addition in
2007 you could not purchase an arm development platform for less
than $1000USD! beagleboard was the FIRST arm development platform
that cost less than $200 and it was the FIRST arm open hardware
platform....
so.... beagleboard has been and always will be the driving force
for low cost open hardware platforms...
Dave
Anguel
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