From: William Hermans <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 at 8:08 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [beagleboard] path of least resistance to Debian
> Well John, this is why people like me research hardware to use with various > OSes, and distro's Unlike Windows that can almost have any hardware tossed at > it ( whether it works well or not ), Linux, or specifically Debian in this > case can be very finicky. Windows, really? Talking about a flaky OS and let¹s not talk about all those patches that I have to wait 5 or 15 minutes every day when I boot and then when I shutdown and all those reboots for upgrades. Windows is a piece of crap, period. I only use windows because some of the tools I use only run on Windows, but if I could ditch it, I would. I use OSX and everything just works. One of these days I¹m going to get the Linaro ARM cross compiler working and then I¹ll ditch Ubuntu as well. > > > I dont recall what the topic was of the Video, but if you search youtube for > Linus torvalds + F*** nVidia . . . Yeah lets just say you might be mildly > amused. nVidia in the past and probably still does not play nice with the open > source community. I changed from ATI because of driver issues and nVidia open source driver works find with Ubuntu. > > > As far as the older kernel goes. Debian is known to move slower and more > purposeful when compared to other distro;s. And as a result is generally > very, very stable. However, because of this, also generally you need to pay > attention to supported hardware. You are right about this, Debian is rock solid. I did try the testing repo and that looks pretty stable as well. My only hesitation is that I¹m not that familiar with all the repos I need and I don¹t have the time to research this right now. > > > > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 2:59 PM, John Syn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: William Hermans <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: <[email protected]> >> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 at 12:39 AM >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [beagleboard] path of least resistance to Debian >> >>> I can not disagree more with John on this last point. If you need a support >>> system for Debian, use Debian as the support system. Also, stay away from >>> using X, and Window managers if you can help it. >> I wasn¹t suggesting that anyone use Ubuntu for development, I was just >> describing my own setup. BTW, I did try Debian Wheezy and it didn¹t go very >> well. First my Nvidia GTX670 didn¹t work with the open source driver given >> that I have 3 x 30 inch Dell monitors. I was somewhat surprised that Debian >> is still using Linux Kernel V3.2 and I had to hunt around for so many >> repositories to get just the basic tools I need. I¹m no fan of Ubuntu, but >> for now it does the job for me and I¹m familiar with it. One more thing, >> developing on Windows is a nightmare given NTFS which is case insensitive. >> >> Regards, >> John >>> >>> >>> Cross compiling from Windows does work, I've had this working since early >>> on, but for most ( some ? ) people this is probably less than optimal. >>> Definitely if you're using OSX as your desktop. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 9:51 PM, John Syn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Brian Lloyd <[email protected]> >>>> Reply-To: <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Friday, May 9, 2014 at 6:51 PM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [beagleboard] path of least resistance to Debian >>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM, William Hermans <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> #1 Personally I would run from a uSD card to make sure it is what you >>>>>> want. Plus it doesnt hurt to run from the sd card, unless you do not have >>>>>> a uSD card + sd card adapter, and do not care to spend money on this. >>>>> >>>>> I have a 16GB uSD card to run from. Just wondering what the pros and cons >>>>> are. Seems that the cons are worry that the eMMC will reach its write >>>>> limit. I don't think that will be an issue for my application as I intend >>>>> to use the BBB as an embedded system. (See below.) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> #2 I'll defer to someone else, as I am not a MAC person. >>>>> >>>>> Mac is just FreeBSD once you are in the shell (for the most part). There >>>>> are worse places to be. ;-) >>>> There are some incompatibilities with OSX, but if you use ³MacPort² or >>>> ³HomeBrew² or ³Fink² to get the GNU tool versions. Since the GNU version >>>> are the same as Debian or Ubuntu, the same instructions will work on Mac. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> #3 NO idea where you got this impression. All the instructions I've seen >>>>>> are *NIX based, and I *DO* personally run Windows for my own desktop >>>>>> environment. >>>>> >>>>> I couldn't find any instructions other than for doing it from Windows >>>>> until I was pointed to the Adafruit site. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> #4 You would have to boot up via uSD to write out the eMMC I believe. >>>>> >>>>> I now have Debian running from the uSD card and it is working just peachy. >>>>> Attempts to copy the eMMC version to the eMMC didn't work but I only want >>>>> that as a backup to the uSD. Eventually I will probably want to run from >>>>> eMMC when I close everything up and shove it into a rack. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You may want to consider dedicating a machine, or perhaps use virtualbox >>>>>> to have a Debian wheezy i386 support system. This really depends on how >>>>>> serious you are. As an example, I compile my own kernel based on Robert >>>>>> Nelsons instructions, and build a custom rootfs also based on his bare >>>>>> rootfs stuff. Which I mount rootfs over our network ( to prevent me from >>>>>> ruining flash media while I experiment / tweak various things ). >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. I may go that route. I have a couple of machines I plan to >>>>> dedicate to Linux (one is already running ubuntu -- not sure that is going >>>>> to stay that way). Is there a good cross-development environment or is it >>>>> just as easy to build on the BBB itself? >>>> The only issue preventing me from using OSX for all my BBB development is >>>> Linaro does not have a cross compiler for OSX. Also >>>> OpenEmbedded/Angstrom/Yocto do not work on OSX. Since running Robert >>>> Nelson¹s scripts depend on Linaro, you cannot use his build scripts either. >>>> For now I use an Ubuntu 14.04 box. You might want to consider Parallels and >>>> install Ubuntu x64 which works great. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> John >>>>> >>>>> The project right now is turning the BBB into a GPS-disciplined NTP >>>>> server. The plan is to have a local UTC display (I think Nixies would be >>>>> cool for that classic retro look but 7-segment LED displays would be OK >>>>> too and easier to drive) and eventually use it to discipline my Rubidium >>>>> reference as well. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL >>>>> 706 Flightline Drive >>>>> Spring Branch, TX 78070 >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> +1.916.877.5067 <tel:%2B1.916.877.5067> >>>>> -- >>>>> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "BeagleBoard" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> -- >>>> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "BeagleBoard" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "BeagleBoard" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "BeagleBoard" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. 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