Hi all, Before anything else, please let me make it very clear that these are all my personal views - they should not be interpreted as representing the views and opinions of my employer/mother/cat/anything else.
I have been extremely distraught by some of the comments in the Mozilla Bugzilla, and here are my thoughts on some of them: Comment #1: > However, after posting my bug for the regn. Sanjarskan and Runa both contacted > me for it. Runa also send some files for translation, but I could not > associate > with them because it seems to me as a contract worker not the l10n team > member, > as I feel. > WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN ?? Runa has been one of most active contributors to Ankur - both as a Redhat employee and as even prior to that. On the other hand, show me a single contribution that you have made to the Bengali l10n project. I do not know about others, but I think we should all be grateful to Redhat for *paying* one of our volunteers to do translation work. Please stop bashing Redhat, and this "you Redhat, me volunteer" must stop immediately. Comment #2: > The language od bn-BD and bn-in are absolutely same. The difference between > bn-IN and bn-BD are only about Time, Currency and location. I believe these > difference has nothing to do with a browser's interface. There are differences. However, lack of volunteers and resources compel us to work on a compromise solution which is acceptable to both. This has worked for us till now - and should work for us in the future as well. Omi - this is not the first irresponsible comment you have made in a public forums. If you want to contribute in a meaningful manner, please show some restraint, and before making such comments, please try to discuss the matter with others. Even yesterday, you uploaded all the pictures of Ankur+BDLUG at ekushey.org. May I ask - what are pictures of Ankur and BDLUG doing at ekushey.org ? I personally do not mind - but there are plenty of conspiracy theorists out there, and project hijacking is not unheard of in the Free/Open Source World. Comment #3: > Omit, we're improving on resources for l10n, but we're still short. > Take a look at http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Firefox_1.0.x_Status, we have 7 > pending locales, not counted the two we're talking about here. > > Which one of those should we drop in favour of two bengali locales? From what > I > can tell so far, and from experience, we will drop some of them. And one of > the > dropped one is likely going to be a bengali locale. > > Assuming that your locales are good from a source code point of view, I > suggest > that you make the decision which, instead of us. If we have to do it, we'll > have to use marketing arguments, which are basically the ones I listed, size > of population and common use. > > This is all about compromises and me trying to keep it real. I can't promise > 4 reviews and QA cycles for FF 1.0.x and FF 1.1 on two locales for one > language. > In an ideal world I could, but that's just the way it is. > If this is the case - I propose that we do not contribute the stuff to Mozilla right now. Let us have separate unofficial builds for both bn_IN and bn_BD that can be downloaded by interested users. Comment #4: > Let me introduce myself. I'm Indrani Basu, Dept. of Bangla Literature, > Viswabharati University, West Bengal, India. I'm doing research on "Bengali > Literature as foreign language" for my PHD thesis. From a long time I'm > monitoring Ankur (http://bengalinux.org) & Ekushey (http://ekushey.org) > projects and using some of there solutions for my thesis works. I was aware > of > these postings from the begining, but in this situation I cannot stay quite. > > (In reply to comment #18) > > > Some clarifications on behalf of mlp-staff. > > > > > > When it comes down to blame, just blame mlp-staff. We have good reasons > for > > > loosing track, but we lost track, and that's that. > > Hey - that is mighty unfair. MLP is doing fantastic these days. And any > project > > was large as this is going to be swamped with stuff to do and backlog to > clear. > > Sankarshan. Please don't try to pump someone. They know what they are better > then you. I request you to oil your own machine. > > > > My proposal would be: > > > Pick one locale, I'd suggest the "bigger" or more common one. This is for > > > acceptance reasons, as we may not have the cycles to just take both in a > > > timely manner. Plus, once the 1.0.x release madness settles, we may > actually > > > do something clever about almost-the-same langs. Proposing a diff may > > > make > > > sense. > > Or ensuring that the translation - L10n standards are consistent for the > > almost-same languages eg bn_IN Gnome and bn_IN Firefox (if there are any) > should > > have consistency in L10n. > > Sankarshan. You like to talk much rather then showing any output. Ekushey > released the 1st language pack on 26 March 2005 and after that they have > updated the pack many times (I think they need the modifications by taking > users' feedback). But where is your output Sankarshan? You are saying you > have > done something by putting the gun on Runa's shoulder (do you have any > personal > relations, by the way?), but no output yet. > > I suggest MLP stuff to accept *only* bn-BD at this time as the translation is > released on Public domain (http://firefox.ekushey.org) from a long time and I > believe people gave their comments on the release. As Sankarshan's version is > not released out of his/Runa's machine, who knows if he wrote any slang in > Bangla as no one review the translation and MLP stuff doesn't know any Bangla. > > Finally I would like to say that Modern Bangla of both India and Bangladesh > has to difference in them. 20~30 years ago there ware some difference indeed. > These days Viswabharati University even takes references from Bangla Academy, > Bangladesh. So I believe Mr. Sankarshan is jealous with the work Ekushey has > done and saying nasty things out of this place (I got the mail you sent to > Ankur list). > > Thanks > Indrani Basu > Indrani - have you ever heard of a "troll" ? If you haven't, I suggest that you go and take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll You have asked Sankarshan to oil his own machine. Maybe you should take a second look at that phrase, perhaps from a slightly different viewpoint ? Comment #5 > I apologize on behalf of everyone on this list who could not control > themselves. > Actually I only put my comment about the locale and translation and > Sankarshan/Runa took it too seriously rather then discussing on the issue and > also made some arguments in other forums. > > Well, we had a phone conference meeting today, where most of the Ankur members > made this comments. I do not know about others, but I was not a part of this meeting. If "most of the Ankur members" think that I am no longer a member of Ankur - please state so publicly and directly. I will immediately leave. Comment #6: > I ask everyone involved to keep their comments out of this bug. Apart from > apologies, if felt appropriate. > There is going to be a good meet of Mozilla leads at XTech next week, and I > will try to get a chat about the situation. > I will sum up the thoughts when I get back, which will be around may, 30th. > > Looking at some of the comments, taking some of the discussion out of > bugzilla > and into bengali may help. > > And to make this crystal clear, Mozilla is not going to make a decision on > this one in the next week. What has disturbed me the most is the fact that this flame war took place in the bug tracker of a third party project, not inside Ankur's own list. Guys - this does not put us in a very good light. Please, please, next time, *think* before going into a flame fest in a public forum. ************************************************************************** Lastly, a general comment, which applies to all. Next time, if anyone wants to register a project *officially* in the name of Ankur - please, please, please, post a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Random people cannot simply go out and register random projects in the name of Ankur. This kind of thing sets a very dangerous precendent, and a repeat of this must be avoided at all costs. Let us hope that we all learn from our mistakes. Let sanity reign supreme. Thanks, Sayamindu PS: You guys made me miss Revenge of the Sith. If this kind of shit happens again, I will be very, very angry - very angry indeed. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412&alloc_id=16344&op=click _______________________________________________ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
