Web services; which kind to avoid flame wars? I don't think we'd be able to please everybody even with web services. There are a ton of web service protocols out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_service
What I like most is RESTful web services where you hit a certain URL to get your data. But then how do you return the data? XML, JSON, HTML? Or you could probably have different URLs for various types. e.g: /x/do/j_sentence /j/do/j_sentence /h/do/j_sentence Then what verb you use? GET? That has a hard limit, of how long it can be, it's pretty short somewhere about 2k. If you use POST you can post whole files for processing. You could probably support both. Then the url could be something else: /j/post/do etc... On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Dan Bron <[email protected]> wrote: > I am thinking of making J interoperability seamless and transparent. It > will make it easier to embed J on the server-side if we make its interface > familiar and standard, and in the current state of the IT world, that means > web services. > > A WS interface will allow us to use modern frontend toolkits to write > user-facing (browser-based) apps, e.g. in Flash, Silverlight, or more > likely in days to come, HTML5. > > It'll also make it easier to offer headless J-based services into IT > depts, with leas of the usual friction we encounter when presenting a new, > (extremely) unfamiliar language. > > In short, it lets us express ourselves in the way we prefer (i.e. J code) > while allowing the outside world to interact with us in the way they prefer > (i.e. web services). > > For this to work, I shine the WS interface has to be implemented natively > in J; if we require a (specific) technology stack, we risk igniting the > kind of holy war we are specifically tying to avoid. > > -Dan > > Please excuse typos; composed on a handheld device. > > On Apr 24, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Greg Borota <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dan, do you mind giving details on what you have in mind? I quickly > > hacked-up a .NET based restful service during my lunch time. It has 2 > URLs: > > http:/localhost:8080/do/j_sentence - Execute the given j_sentence and > > return the string result (result could be xml, json, html, etc). > > http:/localhost:8080/reset - reset J session for current HTTP session = > > come-up with a clean slate. > > > > A session is created on the fly when you hit the URL and it's alive as > long > > you keep the browser open. Multiple users (or browsers) could hit same > > service and each would have their own session. > > > > Before sharing the code (after I am done with my day job), I would like > to > > know more what you have in mind. Interesting idea by the way, to have J > > service. Just that I think we would need more definition. > > > > By the way, Do(m)n in my native tongue (which is not Spanish but Latin > > based) is a very respectful term. It's usually used with Lastname > > (Firstname). And it's more respectful than Mr. in US - m in there is > almost > > unheard. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Greg Borota <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Don Bron Dan could you please elaborate on the uses you see for this web > >> service? With .NET. IIS and the Pinvoke layer this should be just a > >> few hours of work. Do others find this of great use? > >> > >> But service would have to be installed under Windows. I am not that much > >> up to date with other platforms, these days. > >> (I used to be a Linux developer but jobs I had moved me away from it...) > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Dan Bron <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Can I just point out that no one uses desktop apps anymore? It's > probably > >>> be a bigger boon to the community to implement a robust web services > >>> framework and interface to J then yet another implementation of WD. > >>> > >>> -Dan > >>> > >>> Please excuse typos; composed on a handheld device. > >>> > >>> On Apr 23, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Greg Borota <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I see there are already a bunch of wd implementation: native, GTK, QT. > >>>> I wonder what was the effort involved in implementing wd in say GTK or > >>> QT. > >>>> Months, weeks? > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
