Has anyone put together a debian package for J? (I have not looked. I was involved in debian for some time, but they got impatient with me when I was struggling with some other issues and I dropped out. I'm not sure if I am prepared to deal with the ongoing issues to become involved again - I don't think I have the time. But if anyone does have the time, and needs advice that's nearly 10 years out-of-date at this point, I can probably supply some.)
I thought I remembered that there was someone packaging J for debian. It's not that hard. If we had a J package in the standard distribution, I would wonder why it got left out of downstream distributions (RPi and Ubuntu are downstream from the standard distribution.) Thanks, -- Raul On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > I was hoping for that, but didn't like to ask. > > debian-handbook.pdf says there are numerous front-ends to apt, and mentions > synaptic and aptitude. But I see somewhere that these are not recommended > for the RPi, a somewhat low-powered platform. Haven't tried them, so I > can't verify that. > > There are several operating systems for the RPi but the leader for now is > Raspbian (aka debian wheezy linux), a debian derivative (as I believe is > ubuntu). It's stunning what can be run on the RPi, but so far the fancier > UIs are more in the nature of demos, and IMO not a sound basis for serious > work. (But educational users will say: isn't everything a "demo"?) > > AFAICT the answer to "does Raspian have such-and-such"? is: if it's meant > to run under debian, then: yes, probably -- provided you've got a big > enough SD card, and don't mind a long pause. But I guess for a long time to > come the real way to put the RPi to serious work will be via the Linux > command line. So newbies will expect to download and install J like this: > > $ sudo apt-get install j801 > > In general I'd say, the more like the way Python does it, the better for > its uptake. (Until J gets its own following and can innovate confidently in > the RPi world.) > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is hoped that J801 can enter Raspberry Pi's official >> software distribution so that users can use apt to install. >> >> In ubuntu there is a gui frontend for apt but I forgot its name, >> are there anything similar to that in raspi? >> >> Пн, 17 июн 2013, Ian Clark писал(а): >> > Sure, any way of getting the J tarball onto the RPi's SD card is ok. I >> just >> > opted for direct copying because my internet connection was flaky (it's >> > fine now). >> > >> > The "conventional" way of downloading a new app is to use "apt-get" in a >> > console session, which accesses the Pi Foundation's server. This does >> > require your product to be sniffed-over by the Foundation. J's tarball >> > sidesteps all that. I see however that www.dyalog.com are delivering >> Dyalog >> > APL for the RPi by hacking into "apt", a method that might be adapted to >> J. >> > The only advantage I can see (apart from doing things the done way) is to >> > allow apt-get to uninstall the app as well as install it. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > I guess you can also download directly from raspi using its >> > > midori (untested). >> > > >> > > Вс, 16 июн 2013, Ian Clark писал(а): >> > > > Björn Helgason wrote: >> > > > > j for rapberry is available at the i801 download >> > > > >> > > > However did I miss it? ... >> > > > >> > > > Ah, I see Bill's only just announced it. ...And it all works for me, >> > > first >> > > > time! >> > > > And very nice it looks too (Well done, Team!) >> > > > >> > > > Out of hubris, I straightaway ran the Lab: "Displaying boxed nouns >> > > > containing Unicode" >> > > > ---to my astonishment and pleasure, it worked as it should. >> > > > >> > > > ---- >> > > > Just for the record, here are my steps to install j801 on my RPi: >> > > > >> > > > From: http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j801/ >> > > > downloaded: j801a_raspi32.tar.gz -onto my iMac desktop. >> > > > copied it to the /boot directory of RPi's SD card (which is all >> you >> > > see >> > > > of it using Finder) >> > > > (but it seems it doesn't matter where this tarball resides) >> > > > >> > > > Then, in LXSession of RPi ... >> > > > >> > > > $ sudo tar -xzf /boot/j801a_raspi32.tar.gz >> > > > >> > > > ...creates a directory: ~/j801 (equiv to: /home/pi/j801) >> > > > >> > > > $ j801/bin/jconsole >> > > > >> > > > ...runs a j session. Once started ... >> > > > >> > > > install 'all' >> > > > >> > > > ...installs everything required (including, I guess, the binaries for >> > > jqt) >> > > > >> > > > For convenience, I created an executable file: j and copied it to >> /bin >> > > ... >> > > > >> > > > $ echo -e '#! /bin/bash\n~/j801/bin/jqt' > j >> > > > $ chmod +x j >> > > > $ sudo cp j /bin/j >> > > > >> > > > Now I can run jqt by simply entering: j >> > > > >> > > > IanClark >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Björn Helgason <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > j for rapberry is available at the i801 download >> > > > > >> > > > > dyalog apl is also available >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > -- >> > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > Groups >> > > > > "J Programming" group. >> > > > > To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > For more options, visit this group at >> > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > www.jsoftware.com >> > > > > --- >> > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > Groups >> > > > > "J Programming" group. >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> > > an >> > > > > email to [email protected]. >> > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > >> > > -- >> > > regards, >> > > ==================================================== >> > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> -- >> regards, >> ==================================================== >> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
