There isn't one, and we'd appreciate help on getting it set up. It could also be used for Raspbian. Any volunteers?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > Has anyone put together a debian package for J? > > (I have not looked. I was involved in debian for some time, but they > got impatient with me when I was struggling with some other issues and > I dropped out. I'm not sure if I am prepared to deal with the ongoing > issues to become involved again - I don't think I have the time. But > if anyone does have the time, and needs advice that's nearly 10 years > out-of-date at this point, I can probably supply some.) > > I thought I remembered that there was someone packaging J for debian. > It's not that hard. > > If we had a J package in the standard distribution, I would wonder why > it got left out of downstream distributions (RPi and Ubuntu are > downstream from the standard distribution.) > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was hoping for that, but didn't like to ask. > > > > debian-handbook.pdf says there are numerous front-ends to apt, and > mentions > > synaptic and aptitude. But I see somewhere that these are not recommended > > for the RPi, a somewhat low-powered platform. Haven't tried them, so I > > can't verify that. > > > > There are several operating systems for the RPi but the leader for now is > > Raspbian (aka debian wheezy linux), a debian derivative (as I believe is > > ubuntu). It's stunning what can be run on the RPi, but so far the fancier > > UIs are more in the nature of demos, and IMO not a sound basis for > serious > > work. (But educational users will say: isn't everything a "demo"?) > > > > AFAICT the answer to "does Raspian have such-and-such"? is: if it's meant > > to run under debian, then: yes, probably -- provided you've got a big > > enough SD card, and don't mind a long pause. But I guess for a long time > to > > come the real way to put the RPi to serious work will be via the Linux > > command line. So newbies will expect to download and install J like this: > > > > $ sudo apt-get install j801 > > > > In general I'd say, the more like the way Python does it, the better for > > its uptake. (Until J gets its own following and can innovate confidently > in > > the RPi world.) > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> It is hoped that J801 can enter Raspberry Pi's official > >> software distribution so that users can use apt to install. > >> > >> In ubuntu there is a gui frontend for apt but I forgot its name, > >> are there anything similar to that in raspi? > >> > >> Пн, 17 июн 2013, Ian Clark писал(а): > >> > Sure, any way of getting the J tarball onto the RPi's SD card is ok. I > >> just > >> > opted for direct copying because my internet connection was flaky > (it's > >> > fine now). > >> > > >> > The "conventional" way of downloading a new app is to use "apt-get" > in a > >> > console session, which accesses the Pi Foundation's server. This does > >> > require your product to be sniffed-over by the Foundation. J's tarball > >> > sidesteps all that. I see however that www.dyalog.com are delivering > >> Dyalog > >> > APL for the RPi by hacking into "apt", a method that might be adapted > to > >> J. > >> > The only advantage I can see (apart from doing things the done way) > is to > >> > allow apt-get to uninstall the app as well as install it. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I guess you can also download directly from raspi using its > >> > > midori (untested). > >> > > > >> > > Вс, 16 июн 2013, Ian Clark писал(а): > >> > > > Björn Helgason wrote: > >> > > > > j for rapberry is available at the i801 download > >> > > > > >> > > > However did I miss it? ... > >> > > > > >> > > > Ah, I see Bill's only just announced it. ...And it all works for > me, > >> > > first > >> > > > time! > >> > > > And very nice it looks too (Well done, Team!) > >> > > > > >> > > > Out of hubris, I straightaway ran the Lab: "Displaying boxed nouns > >> > > > containing Unicode" > >> > > > ---to my astonishment and pleasure, it worked as it should. > >> > > > > >> > > > ---- > >> > > > Just for the record, here are my steps to install j801 on my RPi: > >> > > > > >> > > > From: http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j801/ > >> > > > downloaded: j801a_raspi32.tar.gz -onto my iMac desktop. > >> > > > copied it to the /boot directory of RPi's SD card (which is all > >> you > >> > > see > >> > > > of it using Finder) > >> > > > (but it seems it doesn't matter where this tarball resides) > >> > > > > >> > > > Then, in LXSession of RPi ... > >> > > > > >> > > > $ sudo tar -xzf /boot/j801a_raspi32.tar.gz > >> > > > > >> > > > ...creates a directory: ~/j801 (equiv to: /home/pi/j801) > >> > > > > >> > > > $ j801/bin/jconsole > >> > > > > >> > > > ...runs a j session. Once started ... > >> > > > > >> > > > install 'all' > >> > > > > >> > > > ...installs everything required (including, I guess, the binaries > for > >> > > jqt) > >> > > > > >> > > > For convenience, I created an executable file: j and copied it to > >> /bin > >> > > ... > >> > > > > >> > > > $ echo -e '#! /bin/bash\n~/j801/bin/jqt' > j > >> > > > $ chmod +x j > >> > > > $ sudo cp j /bin/j > >> > > > > >> > > > Now I can run jqt by simply entering: j > >> > > > > >> > > > IanClark > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Björn Helgason <[email protected] > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > j for rapberry is available at the i801 download > >> > > > > > >> > > > > dyalog apl is also available > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> > > Groups > >> > > > > "J Programming" group. > >> > > > > To post to this group, send email to > >> [email protected] > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > For more options, visit this group at > >> > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > www.jsoftware.com > >> > > > > --- > >> > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >> > > Groups > >> > > > > "J Programming" group. > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, > >> send > >> > > an > >> > > > > email to [email protected]. > >> > > > > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > For information about J forums see > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > regards, > >> > > ==================================================== > >> > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > >> > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> > >> -- > >> regards, > >> ==================================================== > >> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > >> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
