Bill,
I always install my j systems in /Applications.
I'm usually logged in as an "Admin" user but can run the following again
as a "Standard" user if you need it. I believe the main difference is
that the "Standard user" will be asked for an Admin password to move the
folder into /Applications - after that, I think everything stays the
same (although I'm uncertain what owner.group results). I can test that
if you want. Here is a result of a "fresh install" -
When I downloaded the file j801_mac64.zip and "opened it" it created a
folder "j64-801" - I simply dragged that to /Applications (it is in the
list of places in my default finder gui view). Then, switching to a
Terminal session -
Mon Jan 20 20:27:19
iMi7:~ jkt$ ls -lt /Applications
total 117288
drwxr-xr-x@ 12 jkt staff 408 Jan 20 20:05 j64-801
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Jan 16 08:18 Adobe Reader.app
drwxrwxr-x@ 3 jkt admin 102 Jan 13 07:38 Google Chrome.app
....
Mon Jan 20 20:27:37
iMi7:~ jkt$ ls -l /Applications/j64-801
total 8
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jan 18 08:54 addons
drwxr-x---@ 10 jkt staff 340 Jan 18 08:54 bin
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jan 18 08:54 jbrk801.app
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jan 18 08:54 jcon801.app
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jan 18 08:54 jhs801.app
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jan 18 08:54 jqt801.app
-rw-r--r--@ 1 jkt staff 94 Jan 18 08:54 readme.txt
drwxr-xr-x@ 6 jkt staff 204 Jan 18 08:54 system
drwxr-x---@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jan 18 08:54 tools
Mon Jan 20 20:28:49
iMi7:~ jkt$ ls -l /Applications/j64-801/bin
total 4632
drwxr-x---@ 19 jkt staff 646 Jan 18 08:54 icons
-rw-r--r--@ 1 jkt staff 18 Jan 18 08:54 installer.txt
-rwxr-x---@ 1 jkt staff 56 Jan 18 08:54 jbrk.command
-rwxr-x---@ 1 jkt staff 15432 Jan 18 08:54 jconsole
-rwxr-x---@ 1 jkt staff 143 Jan 18 08:54 jhs.command
-rwxr-x---@ 1 jkt staff 2331664 Jan 18 08:54 libj.dylib
-rwxr-x---@ 1 jkt staff 1545 Jan 18 08:54 profile.ijs
-rwxr-x---@ 1 jkt staff 819 Jan 18 08:54 profilex_template.ijs
Mon Jan 20 20:29:01
iMi7:~ jkt$ /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole
2!:5 'HOME'
/Users/jkt
exit 0
Mon Jan 20 20:34:47
iMi7:~ jkt$ sudo /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole
Password:
2!:5 'HOME'
/Users/jkt
'hmmm' fwrite 'who-owns'
4
exit 0
Mon Jan 20 20:35:52
iMi7:~ jkt$ ls -l who-owns
-rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 4 Jan 20 20:35 who-owns
Mon Jan 20 20:35:57
iMi7:~ jkt$ rm who-owns
override rw-r--r-- root/staff for who-owns? y
Mon Jan 20 20:36:12
iMi7:~ jkt$ # Here is another run invoking pacman
Mon Jan 20 20:57:12
iMi7:Applications jkt$ /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole
load 'pacman'
'update' jpkg ''
Updating server catalog...
Local JAL information was last updated: 20 Jan 2014 21:13:51
Installed addons are up to date, 81 addons are not yet installed.
The base library is up to date.
install 'all'
Updating server catalog...
Installing 82 packages
Downloading base library...
....
Downloading xml/sax...
Installing xml/sax...
Done.
Installing JQt binaries...
But their it hung ... after waiting several minutes, I hit ^c
^CConnection failed:
Connection failed:
unable to download: jqt-mac-x64.zip
But, this has to do with another problem I have been chasing for some
time. When I try to download from
http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j801/
I have no trouble getting files with suffix .deb .gz (and presumably
.dmg) but if I try do download (through my normal connection) any of the
.zip or .exe files, I get no result.
I have this routing problem with other sites too, and have been trying
to puzzle what is wonky with routing in my connection to the net. Any
ideas/thoughts appreciated.
Do you want me to run pacman when invoking jconsole under sudo? That
would seem like a very unlikely scenario for "normal" OS X users...
Again, if the Admin user is running j, I think pacman deals with the
updates just fine. And your other question "why permissions of some
folders ... are not 755 - the above file listings are from the fresh
install.
So, I changed my path out to the net (bypassing my router/firewall) and
tried the install 'all' again with the more reasonable result -
install 'all'
Updating server catalog...
Installing 1 package
Downloading base library...
Installing base library...
Done.
Installing JQt binaries...
Finished install of jqt binaries.
Installing Qt library...
Finished install of Qt binaries.
I also, as you may remember, set a symbolic such as -
Mon Jan 20 21:24:52
iMi7:Applications jkt$ ls -l /usr/local/bin/j8
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 34 Sep 24 21:05 /usr/local/bin/j8 ->
/Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole
so that I can start j conveniently in a terminal session (or in a shell
script). This also let's me have "ja" as my "production j" and jb as
"beta" and not have to change various scripts and habits of using those.
This is likely more information than you were looking for but I want to
add that a .zip file isn't the installation vehicle for most OS X app
installs. It would be more "normal" to use a .dmg file (as in the j701
download) - you could go a step further and provide an alias in the
mounted disk image -> /Applications and that way installation would
consist of dragging the j64-801 folder onto the image of the alias.
Ahh, one more thing ... after doing all the above and having a current
set of everything, I was dismayed to see the following -
iMi7:~ jkt$
Mon Jan 20 22:05:37
iMi7:~ jkt$ j8
JVERSION
Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 build: Feb 6 2011 16:16:29
Library: 8.01.017
Platform: Darwin 64
Installer: j801 beta install
InstallPath: /Applications/j64-801
require 'plot'
plot i.6
|domain error: inverse
| ext=.msk expand(;len{.each 1)+/;.1 ext
Let me know if you have more questions, I'll try to shorten my answers
... ;-)
- joey
On 2014/01/20, 19:23 , bill lam wrote:
Joey,
Can you also check what is 2!:5'HOME' when running sudo jconsole?
I want to let pacman knows if the effective user is root because
tar will behave differently in such case. (files will retain
their original user/permission)
A few related questions.
does it need privilege for a regular user to install files under /Applications
does everyone also have full permission on those files
does pacman ever need to concern files are being install under
/Applications
Also, why permissions of some folders under your
/Applications/j64-801/ is not 755, are those default permissions
after a fresh install?
Thanks
Пн, 20 янв 2014, Joey K Tuttle писал(а):
Bill,
I’m not sure what is being worked on, but the answer to your question is, Yes,
OSX supports sudo.
Follows a series of commands …
iMi7:~ jkt$ ls -l /
total 16445
drwxrwxr-x+ 115 root admin 3910 Dec 20 08:10 Applications
….
Mon Jan 20 18:52:06
iMi7:~ jkt$ ls -l /Applications/j64-801/
total 16
drwxr-xr-x@ 26 jkt staff 884 Sep 24 21:09 addons
drwxr-x---@ 13 jkt staff 442 Oct 6 23:48 bin
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jun 14 2013 jbrk801.app
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jun 14 2013 jcon801.app
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jun 14 2013 jhs801.app
drwxr-xr-x@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jun 14 2013 jqt801.app
-rw-r--r--@ 1 jkt staff 94 Jun 14 2013 readme.txt
lrwxr-xr-x 1 jkt staff 85 Oct 6 23:51 startup.ijs ->
/Applications/j64-801/bin/quedprof.ijs/Applications/j64-801/system/config/startup.ijs
drwxr-xr-x@ 7 jkt staff 238 Sep 24 20:33 system
drwxr-x---@ 3 jkt staff 102 Jun 14 2013 tools
Mon Jan 20 18:53:43
iMi7:~ jkt$ sudo /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole
Password:
i. 3 4
0 1 2 3
4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11
exit 0
Mon Jan 20 18:54:30
iMi7:~ jkt$ /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole
JVERSION
Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 build: Feb 6 2011 16:16:29
Library: 8.01.012
Platform: Darwin 64
Installer: j801 beta install
InstallPath: /Applications/j64-801
^D
Mon Jan 20 18:56:00
iMi7:~ jkt$
Happy to try to help, but still not clear what the question was.
- joey
On 2014 Jan 20, at 17:53 , bill lam <[email protected]> wrote:
Does osx support sudo? If yes, can you please check what will
the output if started by
sudo /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole
Can you also check the file owenr and permission of that that
folder?
ls -l /Applications/j64-801
Вт, 21 янв 2014, Ian Clark писал(а):
Last login: Fri Jan 17 21:54:08 on ttys000
ians-air:~ ianclark$ /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole ; exit;
JVERSION
Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 build: Feb 6 2011 16:16:29
Library: 8.01.016
Platform: Darwin 64
Installer: j801 beta install
InstallPath: /Applications/j64-801
2!:0'echo $HOME'
/Users/ianclark
JVERSION
Engine: j701/2011-01-10/11:25 build: Feb 6 2011 16:16:29
Library: 8.01.016
Qt IDE: 1.0.22/4.8.5
Platform: Darwin 64
Installer: j801 beta install
InstallPath: /Applications/j64-801
2!:0'echo $HOME'
/Users/ianclark
JVERSION
Installer: j602a_mac_intel.dmg
Engine: j602/2008-03-03/16:45
Library: 6.02.069
2!:0'echo $HOME'
/Users/ianclark
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:05 PM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks. Can you find what is $HOME when running as root?
Пн, 20 янв 2014, Ian Clark писал(а):
@Bill,
It's not me having the problems, it's Rudi. I was guessing at possible
answers.
Everything I've tried so far with Mavericks on MBA works fine for me.
But do you want me to run some pre-emptive tests?
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 2:50 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ian
/Applications should be owned by root so as /Applications/j64-801
it may need first su then run j as root in order to run pacman.
Did you succeed in running pacman as a regular user? What does
it report when running a command "ls -l" on that folder?
Did you suggest that it is no longer possible to run unsigned
apps under user folder?
Пт, 17 янв 2014, Ian Clark писал(а):
@Rudi -- I'll have to bow out at this point. I'm not an expert on the
things that can go wrong with a J installation -- there's other
people on
this list who are. But they'll want to know the following...
After you've got (i.6) to work, enter:
JVERSION
and post the result.
I suppose you've done the obvious thing like checking you really do
have
write access to the installation folder? Cos jconsole.app thinks you
haven't. You'll see its path at the bottom of the result of
JVERSION. On
my
machine it's
/Applications/j64-801
What I'd do then is look verrrrry carefully at the "Get Info"
window of
both /Applications/j64-801 and its parent, /Applications -- and of
sample
files in those folders.
Then cast a beady eye at System Preferences > Security & Privacy
(also
Parental Controls, Network, Sharing...). Try using TextEdit to save a
test
file into /Applications . I can do it -- can you? Once having saved
it,
try
editing it. Try it again, using "cat" and "nano" under Unix in the
Terminal
app. Look at its "Get Info" --especially Sharing & Permissions. Is
the
"Locked" checkbox checked? Use Terminal to look at the Unix
permissions
of
sample files in /Applications and /Applications/j64-801.
Have you got a virus checker or other gatekeeper which might be
guarding
write access to /Applications ? There's just so many things on the
Mac
nowadays that can stop J's Package Manager from updating files in a
sensitive folder like /Applications. Mavericks is a new o/s, and in
my
long
experience one of the last things o/s developers seem to get right
is the
Permissions structure and its inheritances.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Rudi Mann <[email protected]>
wrote:
Ian,
thanks for the answer. I tried to do the same, but got different
results:
1. I downloaded and unzipped: j801a_mac64.zip
This gave me a folder: j64-801 in my Downloads folder -which I
moved to
Applications.
Opened jcon801.app --after getting past the "unregistered
developer"
gatekeeper :-\
Entered: i.6
--it worked ok.
Here too.
Before trying *anything* else, entered: install'all'
--that worked too.
Not here; this is what I got:
Last login: Fri Jan 17 08:46:22 on console
admins-MacBook-Pro:~ admin$ /Applications/j64-801/bin/jconsole ;
exit;
i.6
0 1 2 3 4 5
install 'all'
Unable to run Package Manager, as you do not have access to the
installation folder.
What now?
Rudi
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