On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Eric Iverson <[email protected]> wrote: > Unless there is a lot of push back, the installers will be minimal systems > pretty much as currently seen on the beta download page. When an installer > is built it will contain the latest J engine, libraries, and JHS. Everything > else will be through pacman or the web site.
Personally, I have stopped tracking the J7 releases, because they went from "install, start" to "install, try to start, not work, inspect port use, find system file, edit file, start J, start browser, go back to J window, select mark from menu, select link, copy to browser" and restarting J, later had some related complexities. I imagine it has gotten better since then, but I use J casually, and I use it on a variety of different computers. When I do use J, I may leave it running on a machine for quite a while -- often longer than my time between browser crashes. Meanwhile, I did not have a consistent place to put the icons I need to start up a J session. Also, jhs did not gain me any taskbar real-estate but lost my ability to find J windows by their decorations. All of these are solvable problems, but I was not particularly interested in re-solving them for each beta release for each machine I use J on. (Right now, that is between 3 and 4 machines.) Also, J7 was advertised as "not really ready for people to use". With that perspective (which may be inaccurate or biased): Personally, I have no "in principle" objection to packaging minimal J as a bootstrap loader for a full J system. But I think that the process of migrating from bootstrap system to full system should be well documented and easy to manage, and the result should be easy to start and use. If anyone feels that I am significantly mis-representing the state of affairs for jhs (other than I think the ports currently used are not likely to run into OS conflicts), please let me know and I will give it another shot. -- Raul ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
