Just FYI: Older macs can run 10.9/10/11 too jst with the bootloader trick. It warps 64 bit efi calls to 32bit efi in for example MacPro 1.1.
I have exaclty done this on an 1.1 from 2006 running Yosemite ( 10.11 ) now. A demon assures consecutive updates do not ruin the bootloader exchange. Its very easy to use, see Mac Rumors forums. Jens Am 08.10.2016 um 16:02 schrieb Brecht Van Lommel: > Ok, let's do macOS 10.9 minimum then. > > I'm about ready to commit the libraries, if anyone likes to review see > here. Otherwise I'll just go ahead and commit things in the next few > days. > https://developer.blender.org/D2283 > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:27 AM, Mike Erwin <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ok, I've had a chance to read your points and dig up the hardware facts. >> >> I was concerned about the people that are stuck on 10.7 because their >> computer can't support 10.8, and didn't want us to leave them behind >> without a very good reason. Other people/projects/companies abandoning it >> are not good reasons. But... >> >> The only Mac than could run Blender 2.8 but not OS 10.8 is the first Mac >> Pro (Aug 2006 - Jan 2008), and only with an upgraded GPU. iMacs, MacBooks >> Pro, everything else of that era is stuck with an old GPU and won't be >> supported anyway. >> >> So now we know exactly who we'll be disappointing! Mac Pro owners (early >> adopter or second-hand) that don't have a newer Mac to run Blender on. >> Seems like a very small segment... >> >> Any newer Mac running 10.6.8 or later can upgrade to 10.9 free of charge. >> Nobody is "stuck" on 10.8 by hardware. They might choose to run 10.8 or >> (god forbid) 10.7 but we have no obligation to support their choice. >> >> After gathering these facts I am also in favor of making Mac OS 10.9 the >> new minimum. >> >> Mike Erwin >> musician, naturalist, pixel pusher, hacker extraordinaire >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Martijn Berger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think 10.6 was special in the sense that a significant number of people >>> lingered on that version. >>> 10.9 and higher have been free upgrades and that seems to have moved a >>> significant number of people over. >>> Last time i checked our download stats 10.6 had more users then 10.7 and >>> 10.8 combined. >>> >>> Taking that into account I would be in favor of using 10.9 as minimal >>> version. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Brecht Van Lommel < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Xcode 8 is currently showing this warning. So it's not clear how long >>>> Apple will even officially support building for 10.8. >>>> >>>> clang: warning: libstdc++ is deprecated; move to libc++ with a minimum >>>> deployment target of OS X 10.9 >>>> >>>> Apple support for 10.9 ended last month, 10.8 a year before that, so >>>> those are not even getting security updates anymore. Firefox and >>>> Chrome have 10.9 as minimum requirement, and I think the same or >>>> higher is required for a lot of other major software. Blender 2.8 >>>> would be released a year or more from now, so we would be the >>>> exception in still supporting 10.7. >>>> >>>> The one issue I personally found with 10.7 was an SDK bug that makes >>>> building Python 3.5 fail. I tried to solve it for a few hours but >>>> didn't find a solution yet. It's probably not a showstopper but if we >>>> decide to use 10.8 or higher I won't spend more time trying to fix it. >>>> >>>> I don't know of any other serious issues, though inevitably we'd >>>> encounter some in the future. Personally I wouldn't want to spend time >>>> debugging OpenGL issues on e.g. 10.7 or 10.8, but maybe you're up for >>>> it :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Mike Erwin <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Bringing this back up since it was mentioned in the C++11 libs >>>> discussion. >>>>> Why are some people in favor of Mac OS 10.8 as a minimum requirement? I >>>>> agree that 10.7 sucks from a usability perspective, but I'm sure you >>> have >>>>> better reasons. >>>>> >>>>> It would help the discussion to have a list of Macs that could run >>>> Blender >>>>> 2.8 (decent GPU) but can't run OS 10.8. >>>>> >>>>> -- Mike >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Mike Erwin <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mac OS 10.6 "Snow Leopard" needs to be dropped, since Apple >>> implemented >>>> GL >>>>>> 3.2 starting with OS 10.7 "Lion". The rest of the Blender 2.7x line >>> can >>>>>> still support Snow Leopard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now that we can assume OS 10.7 or later, what does that give us? >>>>>> >>>>>> OpenGL 3.2 -- of course >>>>>> ARC -- automatic reference counting, no more retain/release >>>>>> Fullscreen mode -- already implemented, so we can remove the older >>>> method. >>>>>> I see comments about this working better in 10.9 because of improved >>>>>> multiple monitor handling. >>>>>> >>>>>> So no huge features for us besides OpenGL. But this does give us an >>>>>> opportunity to clean up some of the crusty old workarounds. Declare >>>>>> MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED = 1070 and revisit everywhere this is >>>>>> checked. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure if anyone is actively working on GHOST or other >>>> Mac-specific >>>>>> stuff, but wanted to start this conversation early. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Erwin >>>>>> musician, naturalist, pixel pusher, hacker extraordinaire >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Bf-committers mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Bf-committers mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bf-committers mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bf-committers mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > _______________________________________________ > Bf-committers mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > -- Jens Verwiebe Allerskehre 44 - 22309 Hamburg Tel.: +49 40 68 78 50 mobile: +49 172 400 49 07 mailto: [email protected] web: http://www.jensverwiebe.de _______________________________________________ Bf-committers mailing list [email protected] https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
