On 29 Mar 2014, at 01:27, "Christiaan Hofman" <cmhof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 2014, at 17:19, Fischlin Andreas wrote: > >> >> >> On 28 Mar 2014, at 22:52, "Christiaan Hofman" <cmhof...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That's easy to say if you start from scratch. We're not. I agree with Adam >>> it's unproductive to lecture. I have to support whatever is already there. >>> You seem to suggest I don't look at the user experience, and that's >>> annoying, because I really do, a lot. But I have to fit that into what >>> already exists, both for the UI (user experience) and the implementation, >>> and I try to do that as good as possible, which is hard. And my point was >>> also about user experience. I really think Lite and Premium are >>> subsettings, rather than primary settings, and I mean that from the user >>> POV, not just from the implementation POV (they really are not >>> contradictory). And the UI should reflect that. >> >> Yes you do really a lot and you know that I do acknowledge that. I have >> often defended you, when others could not understand you. >> >> I also appreciate a lot what you all do. I tried not to lecture but to help >> in the design, as a part of a contribution towards BD. I have my style of >> programming or I should perhaps better say software design. As half computer >> scientists I have developed my style, which may be different from yours, or >> maybe is even not particularly compatible. However, this is no reason to get >> into some sort of quarreling tone. I apologize should you have perceived my >> attempts of contributing as offensive in any way. This was not my intention >> in any way. As I said I tried to contribute in the only way I can at the >> moment. >> >> BTW, the user model is not the user experience. >> >> But I will now stop and say nothing more to not interfere, since I >> understood that you do not consider my contributions to be useful in any >> way. Then I have no problem to shut up. >> >> Cheers, >> Andreas > > I am sorry, I apologize for my tone, I did not mean to quarrel, I do > appreciate your input a lot. > > Christiaan Thanks, this is indeed very kind of you. And let me also use this occasion of thanking you once more. You do indeed a really great job with BibDesk, precisely also because of you trying really hard to look at the implementation AND the user experience. There are other open software projects I am involved in, which do not go so well, because no one with your discipline and strictness participates. At the risk of repeating myself: THANKS A LOT! Given also the fact how important BD is in my daily life as a scientist, I hardly can emphasize this more. Cheers, Andreas P.S: Whoever may read this and participates also all the time, e.g. Reto now, should please not the least feel excluded from my thanks. I am grateful to you all. THANKS! > >>> >>> Christiaan >>> >>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 14:20, Fischlin Andreas wrote: >>> >>>> I do not think so. In all my software engineering projects I profited from >>>> designing software starting with the user model or having someone in the >>>> team who collaborated by working with the software only as an end user. >>>> This only enhanced the quality of the software, never the other way round. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Andreas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28/Mar/2014, at 13:59 , Adam R. Maxwell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:24, Fischlin Andreas >>>> <andreas.fisch...@env.ethz.ch<mailto:andreas.fisch...@env.ethz.ch>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good software always differentiates between the user model and the >>>> implementation model. >>>> >>>> Just FYI, constant lecturing on "good software" design principles is >>>> likely to be unproductive here unless you're intimately familiar with the >>>> code in question. >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Adam > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bibdesk-develop mailing list > Bibdesk-develop@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-develop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Bibdesk-develop mailing list Bibdesk-develop@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-develop
