On Mar 28, 2014, at 17:19, Fischlin Andreas wrote:

> 
> 
> On 28 Mar 2014, at 22:52, "Christiaan Hofman" <cmhof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's easy to say if you start from scratch. We're not. I agree with Adam 
>> it's unproductive to lecture. I have to support whatever is already there. 
>> You seem to suggest I don't look at the user experience, and that's 
>> annoying, because I really do, a lot. But I have to fit that into what 
>> already exists, both for the UI (user experience) and the implementation, 
>> and I try to do that as good as possible, which is hard. And my point was 
>> also about user experience. I really think Lite and Premium are subsettings, 
>> rather than primary settings, and I mean that from the user POV, not just 
>> from the implementation POV (they really are not contradictory). And the UI 
>> should reflect that.
> 
> Yes you do really a lot and you know that I do acknowledge that. I have often 
> defended you, when others could not understand you.
> 
> I also appreciate a lot what you all do. I tried not to lecture but to help 
> in the design, as a part of a contribution towards BD. I have my style of 
> programming or I should perhaps better say software design. As half computer 
> scientists I have developed my style, which may be different from yours, or 
> maybe is even not particularly compatible. However, this is no reason to get 
> into some sort of quarreling tone. I apologize should you have perceived my 
> attempts of contributing as offensive in any way. This was not my intention 
> in any way. As I said I tried to contribute in the only way I can at the 
> moment.
> 
> BTW, the user model is not the user experience. 
> 
> But I will now stop and say nothing more to not interfere, since I understood 
> that you do not consider my contributions to be useful in any way. Then I 
> have no problem to shut up.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andreas

I am sorry, I apologize for my tone, I did not mean to quarrel, I do appreciate 
your input a lot. 

Christiaan

>> 
>> Christiaan
>> 
>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 14:20, Fischlin Andreas wrote:
>> 
>>> I do not think so. In all my software engineering projects I profited from 
>>> designing software starting with the user model or having someone in the 
>>> team who collaborated by working with the software only as an end user. 
>>> This only enhanced the quality of the software, never the other way round.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Andreas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28/Mar/2014, at 13:59 , Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:24, Fischlin Andreas 
>>> <andreas.fisch...@env.ethz.ch<mailto:andreas.fisch...@env.ethz.ch>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good software always differentiates between the user model and the 
>>> implementation model.
>>> 
>>> Just FYI, constant lecturing on "good software" design principles is likely 
>>> to be unproductive here unless you're intimately familiar with the code in 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Adam


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