On Mar 18, 2008, at 10:42 AM, P Kishor wrote:
> I like writing up my raw thoughts in Scrivener. Scriv, however, can't
> "format" for crap, while it *can* do many other things. So, I take
> stuff from Scriv to Pages. Then I change stuff in Pages, and it is out
> of sync with Scriv. Of course, in the meantime, all my library is in
> BD, which is now not accessible from within Scriv (no more of that
> text input plugin) nor from within Pages. I can, of course, in the
> end, use Jim Harrison's excellent CiteInPages Applescript bundle, but
> I first have to go through the very cumbersome "switch to BD on my
> laptop screen, find the citation I want, copy its cite-key, switch
> back to Scriv or Pages, paste the code" process.

Puneet-

I can understand why you'd want to use Scrivener for initial writing.  
I've played with it myself and it implements some very nice concepts.  
It does have some limitations in formatting, reference management (ie,  
none), collaborative authoring and versioning, which is why I didn't  
write CiteInScrivener rather than CiteInPages.

Dealing with a number of open programs on a laptop screen can be  
awkward. If you're using Leopard, have you tried Spaces? You can set  
up one screen for editing (Pages) and another for references  
(BibDesk). Then when you want to insert a reference at the insertion  
point, just slide over to the BibDesk screen, find your reference,  
choose the CiteInPages text citation script, and the screen will snap  
back to the Pages screen and insert the citation(s).

> Maybe, my fault *is* that I hate Tex. Maybe my life would be much
> easier if I just gave in to liking and using Tex and worked with it
> and BD. But, who wants to make thing easy, eh?

I think we get it that you don't like TeX. :-) I don't think using TeX  
would simplify things for you--it would just allow to do more and  
different things, and it doesn't sound like you need that.

> I simply want to reduce the number of tools in my workflow (sometimes
> I just want to go back to using Textedit, and manual citation entry).
> I am now toying with either moving to Sente+Pages (still trying it
> out), or move to Zotero+NeoOffice. I know NeoOffice is atrocious in
> its performance, but it works very MS-Word-like (shudder), and its
> integration with Zotero is really very neat. Besides, Zotero is based
> on Javascript and SQLite, two tools I understand very well. Of course,
> I still have to figure out how to bring all my BD data into Zotero (as
> noted in a separate email, while I was able to import my library, none
> of the linked file info came through).

It's not clear how the Sente or Zotero paired with the respective word  
processors has a better/different workflow from Pages/BibDesk/ 
CiteInPages. You still need to select which references to insert and  
get them into your text. Can you elaborate on how their workflow is  
better?

Jim Harrison
UVa

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