On Mar 18, 2008, at 11:39 AM, P Kishor wrote:
> ...where it really shines is its
> built-in, no headache support for a bazillion citation styles. So, you
> don't like Chicago, but want to go to Harvard, no problem. Wait, to
> hell with Harvard, let's do APA, clickety-click. That part is really
> sweet.

I admit, this is a lot of the value you pay for when you use a  
commercial reference manager. Of course, BibDesk can do this with its  
templating system, but at the moment there are a limited number of  
templates available. In the future, users may share more BibDesk  
templates, or BibDesk might acquire the ability to read Zotero's XML  
reference template format, which would immediately make a large number  
of journal formats available. Either eventuality would make BibDesk  
more similar to current reference managers, but of course that doesn't  
help for the next manuscript. BibDesk's template system isn't too hard  
to learn so if you like other aspects of BibDesk, I'd encourage you to  
take advantage of it.

> Zotero works with NeoOffice. Now, that combo is way more sophisticated
> and interesting. NeoOffice installs an "extension" which appears in
> the NeoOffice Writer toolbar. Click on the extension and your library
> shows up right within the word processor. None of that "switch to the
> other program" nonsense. Once you are done writing, just create your
> biblio.

I've thought about this some, and I'm still not convinced that having  
everything in one program yields a better workflow than two programs  
that are good at their respective tasks and well-integrated. I don't  
find switching to the other program any more difficult than clicking a  
button to show the reference list. If you're using one screen, click  
the other program in the Dock (I put the Dock vertically on the right  
and size it small to keep it out of the way) or hit command-tab and  
use the arrow key. If you're using Spaces, just hit command-arrow. If  
you're using CiteInPages with its citation insertion script, in both  
cases you get the return trip for free as I mentioned before.

With BibDesk, you also get integration with Skim, and your Skim notes  
can show up in the BibDesk preview pane, which means they're easily  
available while you're working on your manuscript. The current BibDesk  
nightlies add even more flexibility by making rapid switching between  
various viewing options available for both the bottom and right panes.  
I don't know any other reference manager that will show you quotes and  
your comments from a PDF while you're in the reference list  
environment, and I think this in combination with change tracking in  
Pages (or LyX, if you roll that way) provides the best currently  
available (though not perfect) support for the science writing workflow.

Jim Harrison

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