On 3/18/08, James Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 18, 2008, at 10:42 AM, P Kishor wrote: > > I like writing up my raw thoughts in Scrivener. Scriv, however, can't > > "format" for crap, while it *can* do many other things. So, I take > > stuff from Scriv to Pages. Then I change stuff in Pages, and it is out > > of sync with Scriv. Of course, in the meantime, all my library is in > > BD, which is now not accessible from within Scriv (no more of that > > text input plugin) nor from within Pages. I can, of course, in the > > end, use Jim Harrison's excellent CiteInPages Applescript bundle, but > > I first have to go through the very cumbersome "switch to BD on my > > laptop screen, find the citation I want, copy its cite-key, switch > > back to Scriv or Pages, paste the code" process. > > > Puneet- > > I can understand why you'd want to use Scrivener for initial writing. > I've played with it myself and it implements some very nice concepts. > It does have some limitations in formatting, reference management (ie, > none), collaborative authoring and versioning, which is why I didn't > write CiteInScrivener rather than CiteInPages. > > Dealing with a number of open programs on a laptop screen can be > awkward. If you're using Leopard, have you tried Spaces? You can set > up one screen for editing (Pages) and another for references > (BibDesk). Then when you want to insert a reference at the insertion > point, just slide over to the BibDesk screen, find your reference, > choose the CiteInPages text citation script, and the screen will snap > back to the Pages screen and insert the citation(s). > > > > Maybe, my fault *is* that I hate Tex. Maybe my life would be much > > easier if I just gave in to liking and using Tex and worked with it > > and BD. But, who wants to make thing easy, eh? > > > I think we get it that you don't like TeX. :-) I don't think using TeX > would simplify things for you--it would just allow to do more and > different things, and it doesn't sound like you need that. > > > > I simply want to reduce the number of tools in my workflow (sometimes > > I just want to go back to using Textedit, and manual citation entry). > > I am now toying with either moving to Sente+Pages (still trying it > > out), or move to Zotero+NeoOffice. I know NeoOffice is atrocious in > > its performance, but it works very MS-Word-like (shudder), and its > > integration with Zotero is really very neat. Besides, Zotero is based > > on Javascript and SQLite, two tools I understand very well. Of course, > > I still have to figure out how to bring all my BD data into Zotero (as > > noted in a separate email, while I was able to import my library, none > > of the linked file info came through). > > > It's not clear how the Sente or Zotero paired with the respective word > processors has a better/different workflow from Pages/BibDesk/ > CiteInPages. You still need to select which references to insert and > get them into your text. Can you elaborate on how their workflow is > better?
I have very limited experience with both of them as I am still putting them through the paces, but here is my first-blush short review --- Sente works with Pages. The citing mechanism is still cumbersome. Switch to Sente, find the entry you want to cite, grab its code, switch back to Pages, insert code. From then on, things are much easier. Essentially, the Sente+Pages combo is a replacement for your AppleScript bundle :-(. Not only does Sente scan the Pages document, it creates the bibliography, but where it really shines is its built-in, no headache support for a bazillion citation styles. So, you don't like Chicago, but want to go to Harvard, no problem. Wait, to hell with Harvard, let's do APA, clickety-click. That part is really sweet. Zotero works with NeoOffice. Now, that combo is way more sophisticated and interesting. NeoOffice installs an "extension" which appears in the NeoOffice Writer toolbar. Click on the extension and your library shows up right within the word processor. None of that "switch to the other program" nonsense. Once you are done writing, just create your biblio. Of course, this means that I have to give up Scrivener and Pages. Maybe I can use NeoOffice only for stuff that requires citations. And, once I am done with the final writing, I can still make it nicer looking in Pages, with the hope that one day Pages+<something> will work just as well. All that said, my short reviews above are really based on a very short time with these programs. Still slogging on in search of the holy writing grail... > > Jim Harrison > UVa > -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) http://www.osgeo.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Bibdesk-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
